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fandomsecrets2014-12-07 03:47 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2896 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2896 ⌋
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Re: Further to yesterday's thread
I think the problem here is that there isn't an equivalent to feminism for men, by which I mean a movement that seeks to liberate men from the societally-imposed gender roles and restrictions that they face and to mitigate the problems that disproportionally or specifically affect men in today's society. Instead, what we have is the MRM, which exists to oppose women having rights and to blame women for all the problems that men have and which seeks to reinforce traditional gender roles and restrictions because they view women as their enemies and want to see them controlled and restricted.
Feminism doesn't do much for men's issues specifically (nor is it obligated to do so), but it does spend about the same amount of time telling men that it *does* address men's issues as it does telling men that it doesn't need to address men's issues because women's issues being solved will solve all men's issues. Which isn't true, because you can't just work on half a problem and expect the other half to magically solve itself.
But it *is* true that just as women have been coming together to work on women's issues since the beginnings of the suffragist/women's rights movement, men should be the ones to come together and work on men's issues, because they're the ones being affected by it and they're the ones who know best what kind of solutions will be the most effective to mitigate the problems. However, another issue that feminism has an adverse effect on is that a lot of feminists get upset if anyone suggests that feminism isn't the best solution to men's problems because they interpret that as either men demanding that feminism drop women's issues and focus on men, or as an attack on the idea of feminism itself.
The MRM damages the whole thing further with its loud insistence that it's doing for men what feminism does for women, because the MRM *doesn't* work on men's issues in any meaningful way, only complains about them and spreads misinformation about them and their origins and blames them on women. So the idea of an organization or movement that focuses on men's issues and helping men and trying to liberate men from traditional gender roles and restrictions is tainted because the MRM claims (falsely) to be that movement already, and so it makes people less likely to think it's a good idea or that it's necessary. There's also the problem that some feminists will outright deny, sometimes with a lot of anger and hostility, the idea that men HAVE serious issues to deal with or that men deserve any help with their issues. This also discourages people from wanting to deal with those issues - they either believe that all men are privileged enough that none of them need or deserve help, or they think that trying to help will get them seen as anti-women.
It's a tangled mess and one that would probably be best solved by enough men banding together to say "We reject the horrible, dishonest, outrageous group of people calling themselves the MRM and we are founding a new movement that seeks to do for men what feminism is doing for women - to liberate men from gender roles and restrictions, to work together to improve the issues that disproportionately or specifically affect men, and to bring about genuine equality as best we can in as many areas of society as we can." But I don't think that's gonna happen any time soon.
Re: Further to yesterday's thread
(Anonymous) 2014-12-07 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)1. At best attract misogynist and assholes (Like feminism has attracted misandrists and assholes. See "Kill all men" hashtag for more.)
2. Most likley it will be at it's ground level started by secret misogynists and assholes (Like Feminism. See Dwarkin, see Solanas).
3 At it's worst any movement dedicated to supporting men will, no matter the intentions, be inherently anti woman. There is a strong school of thought that suggests this is just what men do when they assert their will in any direction.
In short the problem of any such group existing will without fail, fall to misogynistic elements, and where feminism has to a large degree moved away from being exclusivly, or even mostly misandrist to the point that a feminist CAN say "Not all feminists" the same will never be true of any male dominated group.
Re: Further to yesterday's thread
Re: Further to yesterday's thread