[ SECRET POST #2896 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2896 ⌋

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Comments

[were_lemur]

I used to be totally on the "don't tag your hate" side. (And I still kind of am, if it's something like a picture of Alice with devil horns drawn on in MS Paint, because that's just LAZY. And kind of what separate "hate" tags are FOR.)

But then I saw this article: http://who-reviews.com/post/69924511538/ten-was-an-awful-doctor-why-you-should-always-tag

Which, while I wouldn't say it changed my LIFE, changed my opinion on tagging hate.

The specific argument that swayed me was #2: Indexing for the Future.

In it, she makes the point that the tags are what people are going to be searching on Tumblr. Not "tagging hate" creates a false impression of consensus. Not everybody who searches Tumblr is going to know to search not only the Alice/Bob tag, but also the Alice/Bob HATE tag.

Which I guess is nice, if you want people in 2114 to think that Tumblr was a nice, happy hive-mind.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

thanks for the link. it is a pretty neat read so far.

[(Anonymous)]

But that assumes that anyone is going to care about a particular fandom in the future. For the vast, vast majority that's simply not true. Neither is it anyone's obligation to tag with future archival purposes in mind. People in 2114 aren't going to give two shits about what we were doing on Tumblr. Fandom can sometimes get up its own self-important ass on issues like that. We're really not that important. Do you care who was following trends and why in 1914? Or 1814? Just because we have the means to archive now, you imagine anyone's going to give a fuck in future? No, they'll care far, far more about the issues actually affecting them at the time, just like we do now.

It also assumes that people are going to be searching Tumblr for some kind of overall social commentary on fandom trends. When they're really not. They're searching for art or fic of the thing they like, and to deliberately post inflammatory things under those tags is selfish in the extreme.

[(Anonymous)]

People discover old things all the time. Maybe the 2114 example is extreme, but Starsky & Hutch, Twin Peaks and Northern Eposure have all had resurgences lately. If there were a place I could go that provided a full picture of what fandom was like, I'd love it (and skip over things I didn't care for when I realized the direction they were going, as I possess both critical thinking skills and the ability to not have my enthusiasm ruined when I see people disagreeing with me).

And just like it's not your obligation to tag with future archival purposes in mind, it's not my obligation to tag with your own personal hugbox in mind.

And how exactly am I the one that's being selfish, when your solution is the one that keeps someone else's posts from being found just because you don't like it?

[(Anonymous)]

1) I've been a fan of Doctor Who since they were playing the Tom Baker episodes on PBS when I was fourteen. I'm still a fan, of both old and new Who. I look up and read all kinds of Doctor Who stuff.

2) Yes, people will be searching Tumblr for information on fandom. Fandom is becoming a legitimate subject for study in academic circles. There are people researching our fandom behavior. For serious.

3) Dissenting opinion and/or critique are not automatically inflammatory.

[(Anonymous)]

It's cute that you think what people were posting on Tumblr isn't going to be utterly obsolete in 2114.

Tumblr'll be obsolete by 2024, let alone anything further. In the mean time, I'll care real people right now, thanks.

[were_lemur]

Even if it is obsolete in the sense that LiveJournal or MySpace are (irrelevant but still existing) they'll be a source of data. The kind of primary source data that modern-day historians would KILL for.

And you make it sound like having to deal with an opinion that they don't like is this horrible, scary experience that people need to be protected from, instead of something that happens every day, and I just don't get it.

[(Anonymous)]

So, according to you and that 'article' then it's fine to be wanky, obnoxious and superior to the rest of your fandom just in case some future-fandom-nerd wants to research something no one will care about.

[were_lemur]

Because not protecting people from being exposed to my opinion makes me a horrible person?

Nice scare quotes, btw.