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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-12-10 07:10 pm

[ SECRET POST #2899 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2899 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-12-11 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
That's fine, but you realize that you can never, ever, ever, ever say a single word about representation in media, right?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-11 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, this.

Look, people like to write about other people. Writers can get it wrong, but sometimes they do research and get it right.

If I feel like I have a good story for a trans character, I'm going to write it, same as I will a story for a man, a black character, an elderly character, etc. I'm none of these, but they're all people.

I might write a story about a trans raccoon too, if I feel like it.
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[personal profile] saku 2014-12-11 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
to be fair, that only brings about the issue of employing and recognising more lgbtq writers/directs/etc, which is what a lot of folks are looking for by extension when they want more variety in characters.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-11 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Which I accept and I agree with.

But that concern, and the concern with representation in general concerns, don't quite go to the same place for me. I mean, if nothing else, the fact that it implies that an LGBT director is only going to make movies primarily about LGBT characters (hence increasing diversity in directors will increase representation) is already flawed. Increasing diversity in creators is important because people have good stories to tell, increasing diversity in characters is important because there are good stories to be told about all kinds of people. But if you think that representation is important as such, at some point, I think you have to accept people telling stories about those they differ from.
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2014-12-11 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
Plus, shoehorning talented people into focusing on represntation could cramp their style to the point of something not being good anymore.

Ellen's sitcom stands as a testament of this. I mean yeah, she got some shit, but she herself admits it just wasn't as funny in the new direction it took after she came out.

(Props to her though, the first anything tends to go bad and somebody had to do it)
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-12-11 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Or they just not might want to. I remember one teacher in film school who was like : "you should write about our family's immigration history", and I was like "fuck no, i want to write about spaceships".

I know that's not quite the same, but you can't expect everyone to WANT to write about the own background or experience.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-11 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
I feel the same way about disabled characters.

Part of me wishes they would just go away in media because they're often handled so badly. But then that would make representation even worse.

In my country over 10% of people are disabled because of the fallout of years of war. We're definitely not 10% of characters in media. We're swept away under the covers. Which is great, I don't really want to see disabled characters all the time personally. It's depressing and reminds me of the daily grind I have to go through, like the OP.

But the long term effect is that disabled people are treated badly by the rest of the population, because they can easily pretend we're not really here, and when they see us for real that upsets them and they take it out on us.

Hate crime is a very real thing and terrifies me.