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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-12-17 06:51 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2906 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2906 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
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But popular formula romance novels aren't incompatible with feminism
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-12-18 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Came here to say!

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
Shouldn't be. Unfortunately a lot of them are very much about the man dominating the woman.

Chicklit is a much better genre.

Having said that, I don't think this is an entirely serious secret.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
reading fiction about a man dominating a women - another thing that's not necessarily incompatible with feminism

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
that also is true

Feminism is all about having the choice to do that or not, and still have autonomy in your own life, if you want it.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
a lot of them are very much about the man dominating the woman

In these types of romances, the man always grovels in the end. So it's both a fantasy of being overwhelmed by the hero's passion and reforming him as well.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god, and those are even worse!

The fantasy of reforming the bad boy. That's a lot more harmful than cliched female sexual submission. Although men have their own version. The tart with the heart kind of thing. Bad girl tamed by the love of the right man.

Okay, it's an enjoyable fantasy (everyone is redeemable!) but it's a lie that really works its way into the psyche of young men and women. The problem is when it's presented as an ideal.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
Really? Most of the ones I've seen, the man does something horrible, they break up, he comes back and tells her he loves her and suddenly that makes everything he did fine. There is no apology. It is just "that's the way I am, I'm a man, you have to deal with it" and his loving her makes his horrible actions okay.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-18 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
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Trust me. I've read a lot of Harlequin Presents (the line OP's book is from). The hero's groveling is an almost obligatory trope. It's handled differently by various authors (from begging to expaining actions to finally admitting feelings), but it's there so that the heroine gets the final say in there actually being a relationship at all.
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