[ SECRET POST #2910 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2910 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who hates character death, I will just be pissed as fuck if it doesn't get warned for.

[(Anonymous)]

Character death in fanfiction, that is, of course. Warn for "Major character death" at least.

[(Anonymous)]

Guess you probably shat all over JKR when Order of the Phoenix came out, you special snowflake you.

Why should fanfic authors be held to a stricter standard than non-fanfic authors?

[(Anonymous)]

You know that you could find out who died in OotP approximately 2 seconds after it was released if you wanted to, right?

[(Anonymous)]

What about Goblet of Fire? Because, to be honest, as a kid I never expect ANYONE to die in that book. It never would have even occurred to me to check. And I was nine years old when I read that.

So is it really fair to give fanfic writers crap for not warning when children's author's regularly kill characters with no warning?

In fact, I remember reading that protagonists in children's media are actually more likely to die than those in adult media interestingly enough. I'll see if I can find a source, if anyone is interested.

[(Anonymous)]

Idk about protags, but if there's an animal in a children's book, esp if the book is about that animal's relationship with a child in the book, that animal's a goner lol.

[(Anonymous)]

Found the source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/12/141216212043.htm

"Principal cartoon characters are more than twice as likely to be killed off as their counterparts in films for adults released in the same year, reveals new research. On-screen death and violence can be particularly traumatic for young children, and the impact can be intense and long lasting."

It's from a December 2014 paper in the British Medial Journal: http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g7184

I just think that it's really very unfair to get on fanfic writers' cases when children's authors do this all the freaking time.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's because people read fanfiction and regular fiction for different things. Fanfiction is pure wish fulfillment for a lot of people. They don't want it to really surprise them; they want it to satisfy a desire.

When people read regular fiction, on the other hand, they might be looking to escape, but they're also looking for something new. They're looking to learn about a new world and a new set of characters, and they're a lot more open to being surprised.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think most children read fan fiction (young teenagers maybe, but I don't think most 9 year olds do). So I imagine they read for both wish fulfillment, to fulfill a desire, and to be surprised, etc. Children read original fiction for all the reasons you outlined. At least, I know I did.

I just have a bit of a problem with holding unpaid fanfic writers (whose audience is likely to be at least 13 and up) to a higher standard than a paid, published writer for children.

Especially since children are easier to traumatize and haven't developed their mental faculties to the same extent as a fanfic writer's audience.

That's all I'm saying.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the answer to that is to say that there should be fewer deaths in movies and fiction aimed at children, or that there should be warnings on it (which I actually think there might be now, at least when it comes to movies. Ratings have explanations attached to them now so viewers can know a little bit about the content beforehand). I don't think the answer is to say that fanfic writers shouldn't be held to a standard that's mostly agreed upon by fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's because I HATE spoilers of any kind, but I just don't quite agree with this policy. Sure, children's media is rated, but it doesn't give away plot details -- it just says that it might contain violence or sex or swearing. But trying to do that for fanfic (just giving warnings for violence, sex, disturbing images, etc.) doesn't fly in fandom. People want you to specifically tag for for things such as character death.

And, personally speaking, I can't help but find it a tad patronizing that people think I'm less mentally equipped to deal with twists in a story than a child is.

And, as I noted before, I do think it's unfair to hold an unpaid author writing for an older audience to a higher standard than a paid children's writer.

[(Anonymous)]

But it's not that people think you or anyone else is less mentally equipped. It's that a lot of people who read fanfiction want to know ahead of time whether a story contains certain content. It's the writer responding to a desire and a fandom norm, not the writer making a pre-emptive judgment about you.

And I also don't think it's holding fanfic authors to a higher standard, just a different one (especially since it's a standard that doesn't change anything about the actual writing). As I said, people are usually reading fanfic for specific reasons. The fact that kids don't tend to read fanfic, or that kids seek out media for a wider range of reasons than adults who are looking for fanfic, doesn't really change that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, agreed.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[lunabee34]

I think it's Sheenagh Pugh's book about fanfiction that says that there are essentially two kinds of fanfic readers, those who want more of the same and those who want something different.

I think this argument over warnings boils down to the differences between those two camps of readers.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, that's what I'm taking from this discussion. Some people like to be thoroughly warned in fanfiction because they see fanfiction as distinctly different from the original published media.

Other people think fanfic and published media should be held to the same standards.

Hence the conflict.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

You do know I meant the novel, not the movie, right?