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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-12-31 06:10 pm

[ SECRET POST #2920 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2920 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-01 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe they hated Jews more than other people (in fact it wouldn't surprise me) but trying to argue that as a sticking point just sounds like Oppression Olympics to me

Wow. You really think that arguing that Jewish people were primarily targeted during the Holocaust is opression olympics? They didn't "maybe" hate Jews more than other people, they definitely did and their primary goal was to "cleanse" the world of Jewish people. Getting rid of every other person they found "undesirable" was just a sweet bonus and anti-Jewish sentiment began way before the Holocaust. A bunch of psychos decided that Jewish people literally had a conspiracy to control the world and even before Hitler was around, people argued that Jews should be exterminated for the good of Germany (Ahlwardt wrote a whole damn book about it that was a best seller in 1912). Nearly 2/3 of the European Jewish population was wiped out by the end of the Holocaust with over six million Jewish people dead. It's true that around five million other people died as well, but that number is divided among many other groups of people rather than just one. Saying that Jewish people were especially targeted during the Holocaust doesn't devalue the horrific deaths of the disabled, POWs, Polish, homosexuals, etc put to death by the Nazis, it's just pointing out a fact.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-01 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
Getting rid of every other person they found "undesirable" was just a sweet bonus

This is at best an extremely contentious claim and one that I personally would pretty much categorically disagree with

It's true that around five million other people died as well, but that number is divided among many other groups of people rather than just one. 

two points here. First, for a bunch of different reasons, the non Jewish death total is much more difficult to calculate than the Jewish death total. I've heard academics I respect (who, if it matters at all, are themselves Jewish) go as high as 14 million non Jewish victims. Second, that doesn't in itself prove the kind of unique role of antisemitism you're arguing for here. Nor does the existence of antisemitism in Germany society beforehand - there was plenty of vitriol against a lot of different groups including Slavs that you could point to.

I do happen to think that antisemitism was central to Nazi ideology in a unique way but it's hardly something you can take as a given