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⌈ Secret Post #359 ⌋

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This entire comment is so, so ridiculous.

Okay, I believe we've established here that I am Very Wrong. Now, will you accept my apology and admission that I fucked up, or would you like to punish me with a rant on why I'm So Stupid?

No, I am just here to tell you that this comment is ridiculous.

Nice victim complex, though.

No, you're wrong. A victim complex would be this:

"FINE! I'm SORRY, okay?! God, why is everyone out to hurt me over a dumb comment?! Just rip my heart out and insult my dad while you're at it, I'll just go sit in a corner and cut myself!!!! /wrist"

What I was doing was called being defensive. See species "puffer fish".

You're the one that used the word "punish," homes.

I was being snarky.

I was going to reply to this in all seriousness, but the word "snarky" sends me into blinding fits of irrational rage, so I think I am just going to chill out instead. Hold hands, sing Kumbaya, etc.

Good for you!

You don't want to hold hands...? :(

You sure you're not gonna rip my arm off while my guard is down? :((((

...oh, okay. XD Your sexy Utena icon won me over.

All is going according to plan.

Really? Because I've met women like this. One of my sociology professors was a bit, if I might say, frothing at the mouth about it. Quite a few female cops I've met are like this. Many of my classmates have been like this.

Not saying that it has anything to do with the argument, but women like this do exist and it's the minority that can in many cases give the majority a bad name because the minority tends to be more vocal (or at least be heard more) than the majority.

I did not say that women like that don't exist. I know they exist. I get ticked off at feminists just as often as I get ticked off as non-feminists, possibly even more! I was just commenting that what

sarajayechan said, on the whole, was ridiculous and ignores the issue of institutionalized sexism, instead focusing on the individual, which does not work in a debate that's been using generalizations so far.

I don't really want to argue this point and get into a whole thing here (then why comment, right?), because while I agree with the argument that's been used against your initial comment, I don't want to contribute to the illegalism pile-on party, since I think you really do mean well. Cheers.

Can't we all just admit we've been a bunch of twats and move on with our lives?

*nods* A bit irrelevant (though it is still problematic when women do go out of their way to make males' lives miserable), but several other comments had said that they were few and far between (I'm not sure if it's just my social location, but I run into a good deal of them, perhaps a university thing?), so I thought that was what you were reinforcing.

At any rate (since I don't want to get into a whole thing either, but it seems I did ^^') yeah. And thanks.

See, I am completely fascinated by the study of the -isms, so I've persued it at the university level. I'm by no means an expert on things like sexism, racism, homophobia, classism, etc, because seriously, it's just a few classes and essays and textbooks and that does not make me all that knowledgeable (I SWEAR I AM GOING SOMEWHERE WITH THIS I am not trying to be pretentious gsdhfgj sorry). But one of the things that the professors hammer into our heads every class is that the most widely used academic definitions of oppression concern themselves with oppression on an institutional and cultural level, not on a person-by-person basis (so using this definition, "reverse-racism/sexism/classism/whatever" doesn't exist, because oppressed minorities don't have the institutional power to back up their prejudice, whereas a majority person does). This is the definition I am most familiar with. This is not a definition that most people have, but I think it's where a lot of arguments against you are coming from.

Basically what all that nonsense up there means is that I don't want to argue with you because I don't think you accept this definition, or aren't that familiar with it...? I don't mean that as a bad thing, but we're going to see things incredibly differently because of it, making it virtually inpossible to reach a consensus or convince each other of our arguments.

SO TO CONCLUDE (s-sorry for this entire comment btw) I don't see a point in me arguing this with you. I'm only arguing with skippy up there because she is entertaining.

Oh, I've heard this definition, and it was indeed pounded into my head by the sociology professor I mentioned up there ↑ but I don't think I've got the ground to stand on and engage you in a debate over it because it was just a 101 class. Not to belittle it, but I just probably couldn't follow it, really, and I'm not afraid to admit that.

I don't particularly agree with the thing with "reverse-racism/sexism/etc." but that's just because I'm of the belief that two wrongs =/= a right. I think that both sides are being despicable and wish that things could be resolved... more peacefully, I suppose? Which is idealistic, I know, but I suppose it doesn't keep me from wishing.

However, all of this is a good bit of the reason that I usually don't get involved in discussions of this sort of issues -- especially not over the internet where anonymous can just spam you with "repostrepostrepostrepostrepostrepost" ad infinitum. But anyway, agree to disagree, no hard feelings? ^^'

Oh yeah, I'm not going to defend a woman making obviously prejudiced statements about all men, or a gay person making obviously prejudiced statements about all straights, because that's all sorts of wrong and HATE IS BAD NO MATTER WHAT OKAY. I think we can ALL agree on that XD

But yes, we obviously disagree, and that's totally cool. As long as we both understand where the other is coming from, right?

And the little girl in me just yells at this point "CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG ;_;" but I suppose that goes back to my original point of both sides (especially the side doing the oppressing) needing understanding of where the other side is coming from. One of those times when I would be in full favor of a Point of View gun. Marvelous-sounding invention, if you ask me.

Indeed. I respect your point and it sounds valid to me. (:

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