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Yes.

I know "neurotypical" and "non neurotypical/neuroatypical/neurodivergent" is used for stuff like autism spectrum or bipolar disorder.

Is it also used for depression? How about PTSD? Or eating disorders? Do trans or genderqueer or agender people fall under that umbrella? Do gay or lesbian people? What about religious fanatics?

Take this with a large amount of salt, as I am at best on the fringes of the spheres where people actually use such terms, but as far as I know, "neurodivergent" and synonyms are pretty much exclusively used for ways of thought/information processing that differ from the norm. The original use was for autism exclusively; you see it used for things like sensory processing disorder, profound giftedness, and so on now. It has nothing to do with gender, sexuality, or religion whatsoever. I haven't seen it used for things like depression, PTSD, or eating disorders much, but the usage does exist.

That's honestly strange to me. Would someone who has profound OCD would be considered neurotypical?

AYRT

Yes. I'm not entirely sure how the distinction is made, but I'm fairly sure OCD is not, in itself, a marker of neuroatypicality. The Wikipedia page does a fairly good job of defining it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotypical), but it's a messy term with few concrete definitions; while it's reached more common usage than terms like "demifemale", the definition is just about as fluid.

ocd falls under neurodivergence, yes

What about trans people (I ask because GID is considered a disorder) or eating disorders or PTSD?

eh personally i dont think trans people are inherently neurodivergent. and mental disorders/illnesses are different from neurological a/typicality imo. like i would say that add/adhd and ocd are neuroatypical in nature bc they're usually neurodevelopmental . but thats just me. i think neurodivergence as a term is used too commonly to describe mental illnesses when the two arent interchangeable .

I actually hate this term. People use it to assume that there actually IS a typical or average status for some mental illnesses that honestly doesn't exist.

Depression, for example. Would you like to guess the average for depression rates? Most people get it wrong. It's 80%.

The vast majority of the population will experience depression at least once in their lives for a period longer than 3 weeks and up to 3 months. That makes depression a "neurotypical" state, but that's not how tumblrites like to view it.

It's fine to say that your autistic friend or your cousin with cerebral palsy or your aunt with a major brain injury is non-neurotypical but one should bear in mind that the correct way to refer to these deficiencies is just that: deficient. It's not an insult to say so. Hell, often it's an erasure of previous status and ability to say that someone is non-neurotypical instead of having a cognitive deficit. In TBI specifically, when an individual was capable of cognitive functions that are now lost to them, saying they're just not "typical" now is to silence the fact that they have a right to be furious about that loss of function. To them it can imply that their difference in ability is less serious or important.

tl;dr I really hate this trend, and so do a lot of people I work with and I will stop ranting about it now

IA, I think the way people on tumblr are using "non-neurotypical" is watering down the original meaning, similar to the way they've used "trigger warning" and the whole concept of being triggered by something.

Which is damaging to people with PTSD and other disorders like autism...

/rant

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That's one of the reasons I find the term difficult to understand, hence the questions. Peoplee seem to use it to mean "neuro-ideal" as opposed to "typical" which means a completely separate thing, so I never know what's considered typical/atypical or who does/does not fall under the umbrella term

idk about all of that but I have depression and have never seen anyone call that "non-neurotypical". My brain is wired more-or-less* normally; depression is caused by chemical imbalances that can be corrected, not a different overall setup.

I would definitely say that anything under the queer umbrella would NOT count...

*I actually am pretty sure I have very, very slight autistic tendencies but not enough to warrant a diagnosis or to prevent me from living as a well-functioning adult or present any major barriers to having a social life or any of those other things. So I wouldn't use those words for myself - they'd lose meaning for people who are diagnosed with ASD and whose non-neurotypical-ness actually affects their lives in major, visible ways.

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