[ SECRET POST #2929 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2929 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I can't wait for this to fail. I'm not a Peggy fan and I want all of the "He's hot, so it's okay! :D" Howard Stark apologists to go back underground where they belong again.

[(Anonymous)]

Errr what? What exactly do Howard Star fans have to apologize for?

If anything, I think he's been vilified FAR too much in fandom.

He was completely nice in Captain America: The First Avenger. Unless this is a comics thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Being an alcoholic, verbally and physically abusive, and forcing your son into the habit of drinking when he was somewhere in the age of 10-12 aren't exactly shining character traits.

But since you mentioned the 'comics thing', I don't think you knew about that.

Also, it's more of the new kind of Howard fans that are coming around trying to Loki-fy him.

[(Anonymous)]

But Howard in the films is never portrayed that way.

I just think it's unfair to ascribe the comic's characterization to the movie version.

Steve's dad in the comics was also an abusive alcoholic and eventually died of his alcoholism, I believe. While in the films, his father was killed in the first World War by mustard gas and Steve never knew him.

In the films, Howard seems to have been (at worst) negligent of Tony. I mean, when Tony's talking about his issues with his dad, he mentions that his father sent him off to boarding school -- not that he was alcoholic or abusive. And Howard even says that he was proud of Tony.

I just don't think that fans are "Loki-fying" Howard if they aren't applying the comics' characterization because they seem quite different.

[(Anonymous)]

it's more of the new kind of Howard fans that are coming around trying to Loki-fy him.

By which you mean, the people who know him from the movies are responding to the characterization they see in the movies? Not applying the standard of a completely different medium that has nothing to do with the guy in the movies? That's very fair of you.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, and I know it's major projecting on my part, but my family was the victim of an alcoholic abusive dad. So when certain people say that it's okay because of attraction levels or try to explain it away to make it seem like we should be sympathetic towards Howard REALLY rub me the wrong way with my personal experiences.

[(Anonymous)]

But is there any indication in the films that Howard was an alcoholic or abusive? Because when Tony is bitterly recalling his father, I remember him mentioning that his father sent him away to boarding school.

Nick Fury: What do you remember about your father?
Tony Stark: He was cold, calculating, never told me he loved me, never even told me he liked me, so it's a bit hard for me to digest that he said the whole future is riding on me thing, I don't get that! You're talking about a man whose happiest day of his life was shipping me off to boarding school.

[(Anonymous)]

It's probably worth keeping in mind that Howard Stark IN THIS SERIES hasn't abused Tony, because Tony won't be born for another twenty years. Also, Howard is the McGuffin in this series, so it doesn't matter if viewers care about him or not-- the actual adventurous pairing is Peggy and Jarvis, who are more fun together than instruments can measure.

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't like people who get giddy at the thought of something other people enjoy being ruined.

Also, what's with taking comics canon and applying it to MCU canon? Shit, even comics themselves have different canons depending on the series. You latched on to what pisses you off the most and are treating it like it's the only charcterization that has ever been, and it's not.