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Cults and DID. There's more overlap than you'd think, and it gets REALLY fascinating/creepy REALLY fast. I see a lot of the same names/trolls over and over again.

Plus it actually has a lot of real-life applications for me, so it's actually USEFUL and not just fascinating.

This is interesting to me! How are cults and DID overlapping/related?

How does it have real-life applications for you? Do you work with people with DID or something?

*plonks on 'random shit you never needed to know' educator hat* OH ANON LET ME TELL YOU!

Now, a brief primer in the history of multi. In the 70s, you had Sybil. Then, in the 80s, things start snowballing. You get a bunch more books and research, and by the late 80s/early 90s, the MPD/DID diagnosis becomes... almost a fad. (Like, I see people snarking about tumblr making multi a fad and I'm just like trololol no, you have no idea.)

So anyway, around this time, you start getting a HUGE number of MPD/DID diagnoses, and things are starting to get complicated, because multi is supposed to be mega-rare and now suddenly you're getting all these diagnoses. So what's the deal? Are all the multis faking it? Are the shrinks specifically looking to get the prestige of having a multi in their care?

Here's where the cult stuff comes in. Therapy cults are a thing! I know that the stereotypical cult is a religion, but you can make a cult about just about fucking anything; it's the HOW, not the WHAT that makes a cult. So there start springing up multi therapy cults.

I am not even joking. It doesn't help that the world of DID shrinks is really small, so you get a LOT of cults of personality and little tin gods. (COLIN ROSS. Seriously, just Google Colin Ross and 'eyebeams' or 'malpractice' and go nuts.)

Thankfully, this seems to be a thing that isn't as big as it used to be; this was mostly a thing in the 90s. But seriously, for a while, there were a good few cults running on the basic premise that the leader (a therapist/counselor/'healer', sometimes accredited, sometimes not) would take in clients, tell them they were horribly sexually abused as children and had blocked it out, artificially induce multi (or simply gaslight them into believing they were), and use it as a way to control and crush them psychologically.

Like I said, that time MOSTLY seems to have past, now that multi isn't such a fad anymore. However, now it has become a thing on the Internet, for multiples (fakers and real alike) to create their own cults. Andy Blake is the best example of this, but it's at the point that I can basically go to any room full of multiples who hang around the Internet and go, "Okay, who's met a multi who claims that their system is of cosmic importance, that they might be a magician or god embodiment, and tries to rope you into their headspace battles?" and EVERYONE'S hand goes up. AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT PEOPLE! This isn't just one guy, there are a LOT of these charismatic creepers. (The one I encountered was a Neo who believed this world was the Matrix and was trying to "liberate" everyone. One of my roommates encountered a Final Fantasy 7 cult, based around worshiping Genova. Another encountered a chaos mage. Another had dealings with someone fighting astral battles and Star Wars bullshit.)

So yeah, this shit has way more overlap than it should, so I see it in my best interest to stay educated on the matter and keep an eye on things. It's relevant to my life because I'm multi, (going to be a speaker at a DID con in fact) and a lot of my friends are multi, and I feel it's important to police your own community for creepers.

Also just because I have Trainwreck Syndrome SO BAD.

Genova cult . . . Holy shit, are you referring to http://www.demon-sushi.com/warning/index2.html? And you actually dealt with someone who was like Jen?

Believe it or not, it was actually a DIFFERENT FF7 cult. Yes, there was MORE THAN ONE, may the gods have mercy upon us all. I'm pretty sure it was focused around ONE of the villains though, if not Genova. (Sorry, I never played Final Fantasy, so none of the names really mean that much.)

The Neo I encountered, I thankfully never got close to; he just wasn't interesting to me. (Probably just as well, I would've been really vulnerable to that personality type back then. I probably still am, but at least I'm AWARE of my own vulnerability.) He was creepy, but definitely a small fish in comparison to folks like Genova and Andy Blake; far as I can tell, he never really managed to gather that many followers, and he disappeared off the Internet for a few years (though has recently made noise about coming back). Far as I can tell, it's just been him and his Trinity for a while now.

(Though I feel bad for that Trinity and hope she stays safe.)

Also holy shit that was way longer than I intended. I'm sorry anon.

Really late reply, but wow, that was super interesting!

I recently finished my BA in Psychology, and they did mention DID and Sybil, and the fact that memories could be 'suggested', but I'd never heard of those creepy therapists before. Wow!

I'd love to hear more about your experience with DID if you ever have the time. It's still something I don't quite understand, especially when I'm on the internet and run across people who call themselves multiple systems and stuff.

Seriously, multi history (even without the cult side) is FASCINATING. I could blather on about it all day. A lot of psych courses just usually cover the bare bones--Sybil, False Memory Syndrome, IS IT REALZ?, the end--when there is so much more at work. (I can't blame the psych courses; there aren't that many multiples around, so the courses would probably rather focus on the more common stuff. I CAN get annoyed when I have someone with a couple psych courses assuming they know everything about it, though.)

I'm always open for questions and stuff, anon. You can ask me here or go un-anon and take the questions to my DW/LJ, if you prefer.

What is DID?

disassociate identity disorder (formally known as multiple personality disorder). it's well known for spawning films like Sybil and being highly controversial to the point where many psychiatrists dispute the idea that it even truly exists (this isn't helped by the fact that some accounts of patients' allegedly having the disorder have been proved to be falsed or highly embellished)

FORMERLY known as MPD.

And yeah, a lot of shrinks are convinced the "real Sybil" was a fraud.

ayrt

yikes, sorry about that. I need to turn off auto correct on my phone

being highly controversial to the point where many psychiatrists dispute the idea that it even truly exists

That's actually more of a 90s thing. Far as I can tell, it has mostly passed, in part because the False Memory Syndrome Foundation (who is responsible for most of the 'does multi really exist?' stuff) has been thoroughly debunked and isn't so huge as they once were.

I mean, I still ENCOUNTER people who don't believe it exists, but not so much actual mental health workers these days.

Wow, really? Not my field, and I just recently read a "debunking" that was really dismissive. I thought DID was probably on the way out.

I'd be really interested in seeing that debunking, if you remember the authors! Like I said, I like to keep on the up and up on these things. Was it The Persistence of Folly? That's the most recent I've read, and it's a good ten years old. I'd be interested to see if there's a new argument, besides, "all multi is iatrogenic," "all multiples are faking," and, "well, everyone knows there can only be one self in a body, that is a scientifically proven objective fact ergo multi is impossible!"

Note that my experience is limited to the practitioners and hospitals I myself have been involved with, but while I ran into many people who were kind of intimidated by multi, they weren't actively disbelieving. They usually were at least somewhat open to me doing some education or 101. I mean, I'm sure the disbelievers exist, but DID isn't the fad diagnosis it was back in the 90s, and so people are cooling down a bit.

Besides, I've been seeing shit claiming multis will die out any day now for the past fifteen years, and reading articles declaring the exact same thing that have existed for thirty. I myself rather doubt it.

It was probably one of the pieces that came out in 2011 when Debbie Nathan's Sybil Exposed was published.

Ahhhh, of course, that makes sense.

I really should read that damn book, even though I hear it'll make me spitting mad. *sigh* I admit, I find it skeezy and creepy as hell, the whole, "shrinks write a huge moneymaking book about their multi client" thing, but I hear the book does not treat Dorset with much respect.

DID is Dissociative Identity Disorder, AKA Multiple Personality Disorder. Even the name change is kinda interesting, due to the politics involved, but I'll spare you.

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