[ SECRET POST #2934 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2934 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly never knew fic writers had such a thing against fanartists until f!s.

I am a fanartist/artist and I want fic writers to get all the things fanartists have too, they deserve attention as well. But I also don't feel like it is the fault of fanartists that the fanart medium tends to get more, that's just kind of how things ended up.

[silverr]

Please, not all fic writers feel this way.

I absolutely admire people who can draw; I write because I can picture things but can't even begin to draw them (and so I spew thousands of words trying to convery what I see in my mind's eye).

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all fic writers did, this is an honest apology, I should have phrased that better.

[silverr]

Aw, it's okay, I knew you didn't mean it that way; I'm just on an "anti-sweepting generalization" crusade lately.

[(Anonymous)]

As a writer, I have absolutely nothing against artists. It's a huge cliche, but some of my best fandom friends are artists rather than writers.

I do however find it incredibly frustrating that there's such a divide in how writers/artists are treated very differently, and the way art is seen as a superior fandom commodity than fiction. I also think that, as with most climates that benefit one section over another, artists aren't especially going to go out of their way to recognize that such a dichotomy exists. Hence your attitude "that's just kind of how things ended up."

[(Anonymous)]

How do fanartists do something about it though? I have to tell you, I don't read fic, it's not one of my interests. I draw fanart because it is one of my interests, and as much as I'd love to help fic writers out, I don't see how I can when it's just not my hobby.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe draw art for a fic whose idea you like? You don't read fic, but are there ANY stories in any of your fandoms you've read and liked? Or any whose premise you've heard? Using your gift to help out a fellow person whose gift you also value might be your way of doing something on a personal level. It's not an obligation, just something you might not have considered.

Alternatively, take part in a fic/art exchange or something, where you draw art to accompany someone else's fic? A friend who's an artist did it for a fic of mine recently (she drew 3 pictures to illustrate parts of the story she found particularly interesting) and I have to say I was super moved and really loved it!

[(Anonymous)]

Fic writer here. I don't have a "thing" against fanartists, I just wonder why the rules are so different for them vs. writers. It's not the artists I blame for it, though, it's the people who seem to think that art is more worthy of validation than fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Same.

For example, while I personally don't agree with making money from any fanwork, taking commissions as an artist is pretty much expected and par for the course, while fanfic writers a) don't get a fraction of the commissions anyway even if they touted them, and b) are judged for it.

How is it acceptable standard, encouraged procedure for fanartists to piggyback other people's creations for money, and not fanwriters? "Oh because the poor artist put so much time and effort into making their piece that they could have spent on something else to make money!" Yeah, well, so could the fanwriter? If anything, it takes longer to craft a decent length story than it does to draw art (several artists I know have actually made that point).

No, of course it's not any one individual artists' fault or responsibility, but there's definitely a huge chasm between the perceived 'value' of fanart vs. fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

As a fic writer, I can assure you I don't have anything against fanartists. In fact, I love fanart and I'm grateful fanartists share it.

What I don't like is the fandom culture that puts artists in a pedestal and writers in the bottom.
I don't like being told that asking for criticism is the same as begging for comments and WHO I DARE!1!!, while an artist asking for reblogs+likes instead of just likes is not judged, because artists deserve everything they want.

[(Anonymous)]

It makes sense when you think about it, though. Fanart is something that can be enjoyed by anyone regardless of whether or not they know the canon in question - it only takes a brief moment to look at a picture and think "Wow, that's really pretty." You don't even have to know the characters to be able to appreciate the art style or composition.

Fic, on the other hand, requires a higher degree of investment both time-wise and in the canon itself. People tend not to read fics for canons they don't know, whereas I know multiple people who have gotten into things because they saw fanart for something and it intrigued them enough to want to check it out.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that applying some arbitrary value to the amount of investment - as in "artists can do things/behave in ways writers can't" - doesn't make sense, at all.

It takes less effort to reblog a fanart than it takes to reblog a fic, does that mean that the reblog for the art should count as more or less than the fic? Because right now, they count for much more.

[(Anonymous)]

sa

^ assuming of course that you're reblogging the fic because you've actually read it and want to share because you enjoyed it.

[(Anonymous)]

... I literally don't even understand what you're trying to say in this comment. A reblog is a reblog. It takes exactly the same amount of effort to reblog fanart as it does to reblog a fic. Hit one button and bam, you're done.

[(Anonymous)]

then I guess you didn't read the second part of my comment clarifying.