[ SECRET POST #2934 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2934 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Ships you don't or can't ship.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Elves are beings naturally possessed of divine grace, as opposed to humans who have to stumble without grace in life, and presumably in the Halls of Mandos after death until some future judgement day. Elves can sail over the sea and join the Valar, men cannot, and must die and wait in the Halls of Mandos for some future judgement day. When men try to break this rule, Eru Iluvatar steps in, changes the shape of the world, sinks Numenor, that sort of thing.

But since Tolkien is a bit of a romantic, having couples separated after death is a step too far. So the handful of elf/human relationships involve divine intervention. Luthien and Arwen become human. Tuor joins the elves. I think Frodo and Bilbo get a miracle as ringbearers. It's just not something that happens all that often.

Re: Ships you don't or can't ship.

[herpymcderp]

Right, and not all humans have to stay and die even if they aren't attached to elves I thought. Gandalf, for example. If I'm not mistaken he is allowed onto the ships to sail away simply for being Gandalf (because that's enough for special permissions or something).

Re: Ships you don't or can't ship.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Gandalf is something like an archangel of the same rank as Sauron (albeit less powerful), although the idea that the wise came from the West to begin with is sort of slipped into the appendix.

Re: Ships you don't or can't ship.

[(Anonymous)]

He was cool with separating siblings, though (Elrond and Elros.) But IIRC, the ultimate fate of humans and whether they'll ever be reunited with elves and dwarves remains unknown.

I tend to think elves are viewed as a little more 'divine' than Tolkien actually intended them to be, though. They come across that way compared to men and dwarves. But they had their bloody wars and destructive obsessions and tragic flaws and their big fall from grace, too.