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Abolish all religions. I think humanity has proven it's not mature enough to handle that not everyone believes in your personal skydaddy.

It doesn't solve the immaturity problem. They'd just find something else to use as an excuse, because an excuse to try and make other people do what you want them to do is what religion is used as, most of the time.

Yeah, but then you'd get the Maos and the Stalins coming out of the woodwork.

I would agree with this, with the caveat that all political and economic systems should be abolished, as well.

So you just want anarchy?

yeahhhhhhhh try abolishing all culture, politics, and everything really.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim, etc. are all responsible for far more death in the modern era than any religion could hope.

remember that thread where someone was arguing that Hitler was a good Catholic and the Holocaust was in line with the basic Christian European project

that was some fun shit

Hitler identified as a Christian.

and frankly religion has killed far, far more people than... oppressive non-religion? I mean it's not even close.

*Sigh*

No. Religion has not killed more people. Religion does not kill people. PEOPLE kill people. In the absence of religion, wars still break out.
In the absence of religion murders still occur.

Atheists have committed just as many murders as theists.
Just as much murder happens between people of the same faith.
And then there's all the bit's where religion has nothing to do with it but is an easy excuse. The KKK, The various "God/the devil told me to do it" Americans spreading across the continent to wipe out the indigenous peoples, etc.

The idea that religion drives people to kill is lazy and willfully ignorant of human nature. People will kill over anything they feel strongly enough over. Take away the holy books (Which frequently have lines in them declaring you should NOT kill, btw. I mean, however much those lines seem to be ignored, just think how bad it would be if people of faith didn't have that instruction?) and people will kill over politics and hair colour.

Furthermore, even if we take you're assessment that "the things people use as an excuse to murder over are the things that kill" I would say that land and resources have killed far more than religion.

Lol, just like "guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people" - well, the gun helps. When neutral or even good people commit atrocities and oppression because a religion says so, I'm sorry but religion damn well is the problem.

You seem to think I said religion is the only reason people do bad things. I didn't. But the point is religion can make NORMAL people do bad things. This isn't just restricted to war and murder, but certainly includes it.

I'm not sure we've got definite numbers on whether or not atheists or theists commit more murders (though demographic wise, I'm suspicious) but the point is it's pretty damn rare to have an atheist go out and kill people for being religious. "Radical atheist" means a guy who reads Dawkins and whines about how religion sucks on Reddit. Radical religious person is a legitimately frightening entity.

I mean, look at Charlie Hebdo. We can say, and with some legitimacy, that wars etc. happen for complex reasons and religion may not be the sole reason (though I maintain it is at very least part of the reason). But these people murdered people solely for offending their religion. And this is not Muslim exclusive, this happens in pretty much any mainstream religion.

People kill people DIRECTLY BECAUSE of religion. The end. Religion's done more to divide the world and oppress people than it has unify them. Sure, there are absolutely "good" religious people who do awesome things because of their religious beliefs. But it seems to me the opposite is true, in fact, more true. And yes, most of those Holy Books do say "don't kill" - but here's the catch - they also say to kill, to stone to death, to wage wars. They just aren't consistent, and people regularly pick and choose the parts that suit them. Even the "good" religious people do (and in that case, I think that's awesome, power to them). But to act like religion, especially the three big Abrahamic faiths, are objectively good things and people who do bad things in their name are totally baseless in their theology is just... blatantly not true.

You'd be surprised at how religion is actually only one of the many issues that instigate conflict. I wouldn't even put it that close to the top of the list.

Agreed. If people are going to be bigots, then they need to own their bigotry instead of claiming that they're just following what their deity said.

I don't think it'd instantly bring about world peace but frankly I think we're too advanced as a species to believe in dogmatic religion. Spirituality, whatever, but holy books, magic/mysticism, and religious law that masquerades as morality? let's grow up, humanity.

Can't abolish religions, people would find something else to worship. It's innate in the human condition.

I'm not sure that's true. I doubt most people, even people who identify as a religion, go out of their way to "worship" something. They might pray, especially in times of stress, but I don't really think reaching out for help is the same as "worship". One can go to Church, even say they believe in God, and still not be moved to religious fervor about bending knee before a supreme being. It's frankly only the extremely devoted that I'd say have this "condition" to want to worship something. The rest is cultural, or mildly meditative at best.

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