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⌈ Secret Post #2936 ⌋

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Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see anything wrong with disliking Islam and criticizing it (or any religion for that matter -- Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc.).

Arabs, Middle-Eastern People, Indonesian people, people in general can believe and practice whatever they want. And I respect them as human beings.

But I don't give a SHIT about their religions and I can and will criticize it as voraciously as I do Republicanism.

People have rights, ideas don't.

And people who say it's "racist" to draw caricatures of Muhammed can shove it up their ass. No, it really, really isn't.

Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you in principle. But I'm also real uncomfortable about it, because there seems to be a fairly high correlation between people who want to be extremely critical of Islam as a religion, and people who are actually racist. And there are people who do that and use criticisms of the religion (which might be reasonable in themselves) as a proxy for tons of other arguments where individual Muslims are bad people, immigration is bad, etc.

So, it's like, I don't know. Fuck, man. What do we even do?

Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Might be easier for me because I'm Arab but I'm an atheist. So I understand your concerns.

But still -- just drawing a picture of Muhammed and making fun of the tenets of a religion isn't racism.

Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I absolutely agree. But I think there's a point where fullthroated critique of the religion does cross that line. Or at least, it allows people who are racist to take advantage of it. So there's an impulse for me to strongly disapprove of any instance of it at all, for fear of ultimately giving shelter and comfort to a bunch of racists.

I don't know. I don't have a final opinion here. It's just frustrating and depressing.

Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

no muslim to counterattack this argument, then?...hmmm

Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, but basically because I am a strong believer of freedom of speech/protection of speech. It's a sin to take the Lord's name in vain, and yet people don't stop saying Jesus Christ! as an expletive, do they? Nope. Just because your religion says something 'shouldn't' happen, doesn't mean everyone on the planet has to follow that.

Also, once you start saying "one thing" isn't protected, then that just opens up the door for anything to go unprotected. The whole point of freedom of speech is to protect the things that you don't agree with/don't like. Homosexuality is still pretty taboo in America in certain places, and is seen as extremely negative to some-But I have a right to defend it BECAUSE freedom of speech protects everything, even things that are seen as 'negative' to some.

Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care about people criticizing Islam. It's when people assert Islam is inherently more violent and immoral than any other major religion that I start getting skeptical about the motivation behind their criticism. (And no, I wouldn't have believed anybody would make that kind of assertion, either, until I kept seeing it over and over again on news articles about ISIS.)

Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

The most anti-Islam people I know are former Muslims who stopped believing and have a lot of rage about the shittier parts of their former religion. I've heard WAY angrier and vindictive stuff come out of them than I've heard from anyone else. Especially the women, who got to bear the brunt of the sickeningly sexist side of Islam.

Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

The most anti-Islam people I've met have been conservative Christians. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

I've heard the same sentiments from ex-Muslims about Muslims being anti-other religions

Re: Not!fandom Secret Post

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's delicate just because chances are, someone bashing Islam, at least in the West, is most often a Christian. If I really got the sense that it was equal opportunity "religion sucks" criticism, I don't think I'd have a problem, I think both Christianity and Islam (and Judaism for that matter) have inherent problems in their scripture. But it seems to me like it's usually "Islam is evil because they suck and blahblahblah and also they hate us Christians they need Jesus" and such. And frankly, a lot of criticism of Islam is pretty ignorant and biased.

I also think it's tough to separate it from race because asshole critics so often tie it together as such. It's often racist people doing it in the first place. Relating to caricatures of Mohammed, sure, have at it - but does the caricature invoke racist stereotypes of the ethnicity of Middle-Eastern people?

In the end, I do agree that Islam and every other religion deserves criticism. But it is a lot stickier because the West is, for the most part, totally "outside" of the countries that are the most Islamic. It's important to separate culture from religion. (and as it turns out, a lot of the horrendous practices associated with Islam are not actually from the Koran, but cultural practices that religious authorities enforce)