[ SECRET POST #2938 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2938 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Constantine]


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03.
[Dragon Age]


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04.
[Merlin]


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05.
[Pokemon]


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[The Americans]


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[Doctor Who]


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08.
[Twisted Toyfare]


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[Black Books]


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[World of Warcraft]













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Comments

[darkmanifest]

It leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths that Alistair loathes everything about Morrigan, yet the Warden as his best friend can convince him to sleep with her (even, if not romancing him, lose his virginity to her). Worse when romancing him as a woman, so your Warden is encouraging her true love to knock up another woman (while she and Alistair will probably never have kids of their own together). Then add on the fact that you have no idea if this kid's gonna utterly wreck shit when he grows up, you've only got Morrigan's dubious word on it, the same chick who didn't blink an eye when sending someone to kill her mother. Lots of hinky stuff going on with that ritual, I'd say. I do it sometimes, depending on the character, tell Morrigan to step off other times.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

You nailed it.

I did the ritual with my 'canon' M!Cousland Warden. I played him as a goody two-shoes gay dude who wasn't up for romance what with the blight and the recent death of his entire family. He was besties with Morrigan and agreed to it because he was afraid of what would happen to Ferelden after the archdemon was killed.

I made Loghain do the ritual when I played as a lady Warden, but the idea of making Alistair do the ritual if you romanced him is really awful to me. I understand people don't want their Warden or Alistair killed because it ruins the fairytale ending, but imo it's really shitting all over Alistair to force him into the ritual. It's basically rape-by-proxy because you can't handle being a Grey Warden.

[darkmanifest]

Yup, that's pretty much how my first playthrough went, M!Cousland, didn't want to die or abandon Zevran, bit the bullet. So far I've never had Alistair do it. If my Warden is friendly with him, I bring the topic up with him because he has a right to know the option is there, but the relief he displays when my Warden lets him off the hook is pretty telling. If wishy-washy immature Alistair is able to put on his big-boy panties and risk death rather than resort to creepy sex magic, so can my Warden.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude it is not rape by proxy. It's coerced, yes, but Alistair has to agree to it, too. Morrigan is not the one threatening to kill either the Warden or Alistair. That circumstance is completely outside. All Morrigan is doing is offering a way out. She can literally not help that the ritual involves sex, and she forces no one, she explains the situation and asks for consent beforehand. If you don't do the ritual, one of you WILL die. I'd frankly much rather have sex with someone I can't stand than see me or my best friend (or lover) die. I think it's the most selfish to refuse the ritual if you're in love, because you're basically sentencing Alistair to die since he'll sacrifice himself, and even if he doesn't, he then has to lose you because you couldn't stomach one unpleasant thing that would let everyone leave happy. I mean, it's not a "fairytale ending", it's the most logical ending.

[(Anonymous)]

Which assumes the Warden taking Morrigan at her word. You don't see how that's not a 100% scenario?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, sure, but seriously? The better alternative is to kill yourself or Alistair, rather then allow poor Alistair to have sex with Morrigan? How is that remotely a happy ending, especially if your Warden and Alistair are in love (when Alistair will actually take the sacrifice)? I agree that Morrigan's a total bitch, but she had every reason to kill her mother - her mother was going to basically kill her, after all.

I can't imagine ever rejecting Morrigan unless I was really determined for my character to die... but it just seems like a lame sacrifice because it was so easily preventable. Alistair's poor virginity just isn't worth my or his life.

[darkmanifest]

The point is that, no matter what, there is no happy ending without sacrifice - either somebody dies, or your lover sleeps with another woman, or you convince your best friend to knock up a woman he hates and unleash god knows what on the world just to save your two lives. (And the problem wasn't that she killed her mother, it's that she did it without hesitation. I love Morrigan to bits, but...that's not normal.)

And that's cool for you, I was just explaining the logic other people have for finding the decision difficult and morally dubious. I can't ever imagine sparing Loghain, but I understand why people do it.

[(Anonymous)]

There's really no evidence to suggest that she killed her mother "without hesitation." You talk to Morrigan to obtain the quest after she has had time to peruse Flemeth's grimoire and think about how to deal with the threat she poses to Morrigan's life. I mean, you can sort of cheat and leave camp and port right back in to get the quest, but the devs clearly intended for some time (possibly weeks) to pass between giving her the grimoire and getting the quest to kill Flemeth.

Morrigan doesn't like showing vulnerability, so of course she's not going to "blink an eye" when she tells you about a big decision she's been thinking about for awhile. It doesn't mean it was an easy decision for her to make; her emotions for her mother are very complicated.

[darkmanifest]

There's evidence in her lack of emotional display, you just interpret it differently than I do in that you believe she felt plenty of things she didn't show, whereas I believe she didn't feel as much about it as most people would. Regardless, my whole point is that Morrigan is not to be relied upon as a moral compass, whether she hides her true feelings about doing terrible things, or has comparatively stunted feelings about said things, either way, not the person I would trust when asking the question "Will this dragon child you want eventually fuck up the world?"

[(Anonymous)]

... it's canon that Morrigan hides a lot of her true feelings. Have you never gotten her approval all the way up? Your interpretation is incorrect, and pretty shallow to boot.

[darkmanifest]

Played her best friend in two playthroughs and her lover in one other. She came right out and said I was her closest friend and her beloved, no great secret mystery there. My Warden knew what s/he was to Morrigan. No such transparency of emotion when it came to Flemeth, making my interpretation as valid as yours.