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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-01-20 08:09 pm
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(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
People making comments about liking male characters in comparison to Amy are being disingenuous. There really aren't a whole lot of male characters like Amy that people root for.

I mean someone can bring up Walter White as a counterpoint but even he starts out as a mostly decent person (wanting to provide for his family in light of his impending death) before being corrupted by his greed but even at the end he still has enough humanity that he begs for the life of his brother-in-law who was trying to destroy him.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
Plus there's a huge difference between him and a female character held up as a feminist icon. Being a feminist icon should mean having some standards, people are going to object when abusive murderous women get called feminist queens.

Not to say they can't be fun characters and enjoyable power fantasies. A lot of us want that in female characters too. But being a fun character and an enjoyable villain doesn't mean feminist, and not every single female character has to be a feminist character (and not being a feminist character does not instantly imply that she's a misogynist character).

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
You are rooting for Walter White in your very own claim that people don't do this. "He starts out as a mostly decent person", "he still has enough humanity that he begs for the life of his brother-in-law who was trying to destroy him". He wasn't decent to begin with, he wanted to make and sell meth. He NEEDED to be destroyed in the end, and it was his own fault that Hank was killed. You are justifying sympathy for a megalomaniac who ruined lives and killed people. This is a pitch-perfect example of the treatment that deranged male characters get all the time. Now Amy's getting it. Good for her.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
Even Vince Gilligan acknowledged that Walter still had some good in him. He wasn't the sociopath Amy was.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
"a megalomaniac who ruined lives and killed people" -- this is called a sociopath, your finding him slightly more sympathetic than Amy doesn't change that.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
Walter has empathy and a conscience. He shows remorse for his actions. Those aren't the hallmarks of a sociopath.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 07:59 am (UTC)(link)
"But but but he cried a little bit when someone he liked died!!"

He didn't cry for the woman he murdered, and whose murder he used to add insult to injury when leaving his partner to be tortured and enslaved. If you must look at Walter White with leather-pants-colored glasses, at least ask yourself why you won't do the same for a female character (whose body count was much, much lower, and who managed not to sell anyone to white supremacists).

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
"Leather-pants-colored-glasses"

Your internet, oh honored gentlebeing...

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Probably because Walt had some redeeming qualities, Amy had none.

Also Walter did feel bad for what he did to Jane. Unless you missed the Fly episode.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Cried a little bit?

Walt was A.) willing to give himself up and B.) give away his entire fortune that he had amassed to save Hank's life.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Too bad he wasn't willing to do those things when his family specifically asked him to.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL at the literal stanning in this thread that the thread-starter tried to claim doesn't happen for deranged male characters the way it does for Amy.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
Also while she's not as murderous as Walter White I'd say Nurse Jackie is a better example of a female protagonist who is pretty shitty as the series goes on but the viewers still root for her.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
"There really aren't a whole lot of male characters like Amy that people root for."
Lolololol whaaaat?
Have you ever participated in fandom ever?
Male psychopaths, criminals, and killers are loooved and swooned over by everybody.
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[personal profile] were_lemur 2015-01-21 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
There really aren't a whole lot of male characters like Amy that people root for.

LOL, really? Movies, books and videogames come out on a regular basis that feature assassins as heroes, and any villain played by a white actor of sufficient attractiveness is going to have an army of fangirls posting gifs on Tumblr.

It's all fun and games, though, until someone has a chance to score points against feminism.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 07:30 am (UTC)(link)
So very much this.
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[personal profile] ketita 2015-01-21 07:36 am (UTC)(link)
I have seen a few books and such featuring female assassins as heroes too, though. I'm not sure I'd draw a direct comparison to Amy because often part of the assassin thing is "this is my job but I don't ~enjoy~ it" and that allows for wiggle room.
Amy is more "fucked up and will fuck you up", and I'm trying to think of a good male villain like that that I've seen. (I personally adored her as a villain, I haven't seen such an effective one in film in a while). tbh I think the best comparison might be Tyler Durden, as somebody mentioned upthread.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
Fucking Loki. Dexter. Hannibal. Pretty much ANY of the males in Game of Thrones. Like, what even is this argument? People rooting for sociopathic male characters (or male characters who weren't originally sociopathic but quickly became that way -- there's no indication that Amy sprung from the womb as a sociopath either) is more of a norm than an exception.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 08:10 am (UTC)(link)
Oh anon, it's your argument that is the most specious of all. Did you know that in an average Russian Lit classroom, perhaps as many of half the students might root for Raskolnikov of Crime and Punishment? "Root for" as in actually thinking his actions are entirely righteous and defensible.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 08:17 am (UTC)(link)
I would be very interested in seeing a source for that statistic

im sure you have one

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
Trust me, you know I'm good for it ;)

Legitly though, college kids love Raskolnikov. Don't know why. He's described as handsome but I've gotten the impression he's really gross.
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