[ SECRET POST #2945 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2945 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Not a Harem Heaven, It's a Yandere Hell]


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03.
[Game of Thrones]


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04.
[In the Flesh]


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05.
[Hudson Leick as Callisto in Xena, Warrior Princess]


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[Plebcomics]


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07.
[Great British Bake Off]


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[Captain America: The First Avenger]


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09.
[Binan Koukou Chikyuu Bouei-bu LOVE!]


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[Queen]













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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/qDYSc3Q.png?1
[Captain America: The First Avenger]

[silverr]

Seconded a million times. He's my favorite movie scientist since Ellie Arroway.

[newredshoes]

Aw, yes. This is a lovely way to put it.

[snowcipher]

Yes, he was awesome.

[kallanda_lee]

Yeeeep, he's so awesome - and let's face it, most scientist AREN'T evil. Especially those who do medical trials - their goal is to help people in the long run.

[mekkio]

You must be young because there is always Doc Brown. Doc was not evil, cold or cruel in any way. In the end, he even gave up his chance to return with Marty in order to save the girl. Selfless. (Of course, with Claire and Doc together, you know they would invent an awesome time machine. And they did.)

Still, I did like the scientist in Captain America. (Doesn't help he was played by Tucci. Who is always awesome.) What I liked about him was that he was German. Not German Jewish fleeing because of his background. (Which is a cliche.) But just a simple German who didn't like how his country became a fascist state and fled because of that. Showed how not all Germans were automatic Nazis. Some fought against Hitler in order to get their homeland back.

[(Anonymous)]

just a simple German who didn't like how his country became a fascist state

That quote he had ("People forget that the first country the Germans invaded was their own") was literally my favorite line in the movie.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

YES -- this. It was such a great line.

Although, I will say that I do think Erskine was probably Jewish, although it's never confirmed in the film. He is in some of the comics, anyway. Either way, I liked how the film emphasized his identity as a GERMAN first and foremost because he was someone who clearly loved his country and was fighting to reclaim it.

It was also great to realize how some things that initially didn't make sense to me (such as the inability to replicate the super soldier serum) made perfect sense when you considered Erskine's position. He wouldn't want his work to fall into the wrong hands after what happened with Schmidt and so he didn't write anything down to ensure that he would remain in control of the project or it would die with him.

[(Anonymous)]

That quote he had ("People forget that the first country the Germans invaded was their own") was literally my favorite line in the movie.

Ah...and it rubbed me wrong - I understand the sentiment and share it (I assume the sentiment is, as you said, to point out that not all Germans were Nazi supporters), but, hell, there is a vast difference between Hitler's party getting elected in a democratic process and an acctual invasion. It was a nice sounding quote, but, yeah, no, the word "invaded" made me wince, although I really like the character.

[silverr]

I guess I done't automatically think of Doc Brown in the same way as tghe other two I mentiond because he's got that "loveable eccentric/Nutty Professor" thing going on -- whereas Erskine and Arroway present as more "ordinary" (though no less passionate).

[loracarol]

Yes! Plus he was a German scientist as well that wasn't an evil Nazi! :D

[a_potato]

Hmm. I hadn't thought about this character in that way before.

Thanks, OP.

[nightscale]

Yessssss, I liked Erskine for exactly those reasons and while I know him biting it was going to happen I was still a bit sad. He was a good guy.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Oh -- should have mentioned this too -- Stanley Tucci can rock a fedora.

[elaminator]

Yup, he was one of my favorite parts of The First Avenger; he was kind, and charming, and brilliantly acted. It's a shame he didn't have more scenes.

(Stanley Tucci is great. I'm not overtly familiar with him, but I do remember looking him up on IMDB once and being shocked at several of the roles he'd played; I hadn't recognized him at all. He's very good at what he does.)

[silverr]

Indeed.

[sabotabby]

I hate, hate, hate when movies are anti-science. Especially in this political climate, where anti-science is a real, destructive force; I miss the old days of science fiction where writers were looking at the potential benefits as well as the drawbacks of scientific development.

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[(Anonymous)]

Image: screen cap [pun not intended] of Dr. Erskine

Text: I appreciated him so much because he was a scientist that, for once, was wholly good -- a kind, competent man doing what he could to help. And that’s sadly uncommon in the film industry, where scientists are so often evil/cold/selfish/cowardly. And science is depicted as something to fear.

[intrigueing]

Thiiiiiiiiiisssss. And not just in the movie industry. Marvel comics has shown particularly bilious hatred, contempt, and narrow forced stereotyping towards science, scientists, scientific curiosity, scientific advances, and smart/intellectual people in general since the start of the 21st century (e.g., the Illuminati). It's been thoroughly repulsive to read.

I don't think it's all that uncommon.

[(Anonymous)]

Yinsin, and Bruce, and maybe Jane Foster and Erik Selvig.

And Miles Dyson (Terminator 2) - although, yeah, the theme of science being something to fear is there, though I could argue that it's really misuse of science, which I think is a legitimate thing to fear.
And Daniel Jackson (Stargate).
And pretty much all the mission control guys in Apollo 13.
And, okay, only like half of Real Genius' science guys, but the funny half.

Re: I don't think it's all that uncommon.

[(Anonymous)]

Also -- the science teams on pretty much every CSI/NCIS/Bones-type procedural, most of the cast of Eureka (yeah, the lack of safety protocols usually caused issues, but Erskine's safety protocols weren't exactly good), Egon Spengler and Ray Stantz, all the scientists in Big Hero 6 (except one, and he wasn't so much an evil scientist as he was evil, and also a scientist), Spock (and most of the blue shirts on various incarnations of Trek), Bill Nye, Sherlock Holmes (original recipe, not BBC-style) and Penny from Inspector Gadget.

[(Anonymous)]

My dad was a nuclear physicist before he retired, and he's the best, and my friends love how sweet he is. (He also, however, relates to Hiroshi Sato. Sigh.)

I love Erskine, but Stanley Tucci can do no wrong in a role, anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I was really sad to see him go. He was such a great character.

[(Anonymous)]

As much as I liked Erskine, Captain America's origins have always struck me as kinda messed up. Yes, let's show how morally superior we are to the Nazis via... our super-human that we created using highly unethical human experimentation. Yikes.

[(Anonymous)]

In fairness, Steve in the film understood that there were huge risks involved. And when it seemed like he was in pain, everyone was ready to shut the experiment down -- he was the one who insisted they continue.

Of course, this wouldn't fly in today's scientific field (with the number of animals models you'd have to go through first), but Steve certainly seemed to understand what he was getting involved in.

When you compare that to the Nazis, who "tested" their experiments on concentration camp victims and prisoners of war then, of course, Erskine has the moral high ground.