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⌈ Secret Post #2945 ⌋

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[Not a Harem Heaven, It's a Yandere Hell]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[In the Flesh]

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[Hudson Leick as Callisto in Xena, Warrior Princess]

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[Plebcomics]

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[Great British Bake Off]

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[Captain America: The First Avenger]

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[Binan Koukou Chikyuu Bouei-bu LOVE!]

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[Queen]

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It isn't a call-out on white people, it's an endorsement for white people to stop engaging in anti-racist activism.

...wait, THAT'S what you get out of that comic?

Can you even read?

It's called reading between the lines. The idea is to make white people think that just talking about racism makes them look like the white person in the comic. To make them think anything they say about racism is "speaking over POC" so they'll stop speaking up at all.

I think you're reading WAY too much into it.

No, it's called being intensely paranoid and looking for shit to start wank over when there really isn't any.

The idea is to make people who think they know better than the people who actually experience things, stop and realize that no, actually they fucking don't. That doesn't equate with "shut the hell up and never speak ever again" that equates to "think before you open your mouth and learn a little empathy, compassion and tact."

Hmm, sounds more like it's called "This accusation hits uncomfortably close to home with me and my behavior therefore I'll twist it to mean something completely different, thus both absolving me of any blame and responsibility AND perpetuating the damaging attitudes the comic is mocking, all in one conveniant package!"

hehehe

I think it's arguably both.

You could argue it's a reaction to the kind of SJW that insists on speaking for minorities about how something is so racist or appropriative or whatnot and then invalidating their disagreement by telling them they have "internalized prejudice" (because disagreement is apparently just not allowed). As an Asian-American who occasionally gets lectured by non-Asians that such-and-such movie totally fell into the trap of confusing two Asian countries for each other (when it didn't) or that people wearing clothing from my culture is appropriation (when it's not) or that what I consider mildly cringeworthy behavior in a foreign country is actually despicable and racist as fuck and worthy of this person being publicly shamed forever... I TOTALLY sympathize with this anti-SJW sentiment and have felt these feelings.

However, it's also arguably tied to the whole #NotYourShield movement within the Gamergate movement, which is about having women/minorities step up to say how the gaming world is NOT hostile or exclusionary towards women/minorities. From this comic you can either draw the conclusion that the point is "white people need to check themselves" OR that the point is that the existence of a single minority person who disagrees with race criticism INVALIDATES that criticism because inevitably the side that agrees with that race criticism contains white people (actually, is predominantly white because that's what the U.S. is), which means the relationship depicted in the comic is guaranteed to come into play (white people trying to talk over a disagreeing minority). If you agree this dynamic is undesirable, and they show the existence of a POC who disagrees with some social justice platform, then they show that the social justice platform as a whole is undesirable and has no leg to stand on. So basically, the point of the comic could be seen as being anti-SJ as a whole, not just anti-SJW.

I had to re-read that entire paragraph twice, haha.

Honestly, I think that even POC are going to disagree amongst each other and there's never going to be a consensus, so if you want to be an "ally" as a white person you can never be an "ally" of all POCs, really, because they all have differing concerns and opinions, so you have to make your own judgment call somewhere or just say nothing, and is either of those options really the best?

I don't even know. What I do know, though, is that some people need to go out and actually read some books by academics and activists instead of just repeating the SJ stuff they heard on tumblr.

Yep, totally agreed on all that. I wish both sides would recognize that minorities aren't some kind of hivemind.

SJWs need to realize this so they don't freak out over a minority disagreeing with them to the point where they feel the need to fling around the "internalized *ism" card. Just seems super insecure.

Anti-SJWs need to realize this so they don't hold up their token minority friend to tell people "hey, THEY said it was okay, so you guys are all wrong!" Just seems super complacent.

And yes, people really do need to go out and read things other than Tumblr criticism. And learn how to ask for sources and follow up on them, or be skeptical.

Now I'm just kinda perplexed and confused. There's a way to be involved in an activist struggle that isn't your own, without being a venal cocksore about it.

--Rogan

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