[ SECRET POST #2946 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2946 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

I think in some case, institutions should be granted religious exception. Not if it's a matter of life or death, or if the CEO just happens to be Christian or something, but if the entire point of an organization is in the name of a certain religion... then it shouldn't be forced to break rules important to them.

*Waits for the hate*

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

What institutions would those even be? I can't think of any

Re: Confessions

[ibbity]

maybe Hobby Lobby with the birth control thing?

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - For example a Catholic-based organization not providing birth control insurance. I feel like a traitor to my feminist, pro-choice stance, but I'm sorry, that's against their religion, which you knew when you took the job.

But if the CEO of a company happens to be Catholic, I think it's wrong not to provide insurance.

Re: Confessions

[philstar22]

I agree if the issue is actually providing whatever it is. They shouldn't have to give the employee birth control themselves. They don't have a right to stop employees from using their health insurance for any health issue they want, though, and that includes birth control. They don't get to force their religion on people who don't hold it.

And actually, in the Hobby Lobby issue, Hobby Lobby wasn't even willing to sign a paper saying they wouldn't let health insurance cover birth control so that then the government would cover it. Which was the most ridiculous thing ever and there is no justification for that. Just sign the damn paper saying you wont' cover.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Are there Catholic-based for-profit organizations? Isn't that kind of a paradox?

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Providing employees with health insurance that covers birth control is no different than paying them wages that they can use to go and buy birth control. Even if they don't use birth control, they're spending money on other things and that contributes towards other people's health insurance or wages that they then can use to get birth control.

Re: Confessions

[philstar22]

This. Health insurance is part of paying your employee. You aren't providing the birth control, you are paying them for their work. What they choose to do with that payment is up to them, not you.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

You realize it's against some religions to receive anything other than faith healing, right?

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Example of a "Catholic-based organization?"

Re: Confessions

[feotakahari]

That pretty much leaves nonprofits, right? The point of a for-profit is cold hard cash.

Re: Confessions

[iceyred]

Freedom of religion is already in the Constitution. The First Amendment forbids the feds from issuing a law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

In other words, the federal government can't tell religious organizations to go against their beliefs.

Re: Confessions

[(Anonymous)]

But they still have to abide by whatever laws are in place, don't they? (I'm thinking of the Mormons and bigamy--not allowed they can't do it). If they're a for profit business, they'd have to follow those laws. And if the laws are such they'd be forced to violate their belief structures, then they'd have a choice to make; follow the law or get out for profit business.

Re: Confessions

[iceyred]

Yeah, they do have to follow the laws. Nobody can say 'Mah religions tells me to marry all these little kids!' and expect to get away with it.

For-profits have to follows the laws too, but individual owners can and should expect to be allowed to follow their religious convictions. Closely-held businesses (where half the business is owned by five or fewer people) don't have to follow the contraceptive mandate of Obamacare.