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Holy shit, Indonesia is so far from East Asian that's not even funny. You did mean Southeast Asian, right?

Also it's totally race linked here. I'm pretty sure 'Malay' counts as brown, unless I'm seeing the skin colour of everyone around me wrongly. I'll grant that there are different branches of Muslim, but religion is part of culture and culture is very much tied to race and ethnicity. You can't just separate out the two like that. 99% of Malays in Singapore (and Malaysia and Indonesia) are Muslims. To be 'of a certain race' here is basically to have the religion that comes with that race.

I mean I get what you're saying. People shouldn't think all Muslims are like one particular race, there are various ethnicities that have adopted it as their own. But you can't just be like religions =/= race when they do to a huge extent in certain parts of the world.

In the US we are taught everything East of India is considered East Asian. Yes, you can be more specific and say Southeast Asia but it is still East Asia and not the Middle East. And no, they wouldn't be considered brown but Asian, again, at least when you are talking in American terms. Brown is Arabic, Persian, Pakistani and Indian. Not Malaysian.

For example, these Malaysian women would not be considered brown but Asian.

Dude I'm legit from the area. As in I live here, parts of my family are Malaysian, half of them are Malay, I was born and raised a Muslim. Literally no one here would consider this as part of East Asia. East Asia / Southeast Asia / South Asia are completely different geographic areas. You may have been taught that. Your teachers were dead wrong.

You want to bitch about erasing people's identities? That is exactly what you're doing by calling people here and people with my kind of background East Asian, because we're not. I get why you're doing that or why you might have thought that, but please don't, it's just wrong on a level that would make me legit cringe.

Also, uh, you realize the three women that you're showing a picture of are from completely different ethnic groups, right? the one on the right is Chinese, the middle one is Malay, the left is tribal and probably from Borneo or something. The right one is definitely not brown, if anything Chinese people are yellow. Also South Asians - Indians / Pakistanis - are NOWHERE NEAR the Middle East, what even. Your classification systems are seriously borked and trample over people's identities to a point where it's sort of awkward to read about.

Seriously though, classifying Malaysia or Indonesia as 'East Asia' is like me saying Missouri is part of the East Coast of the US, simply because it's east of Kansas (the geographical center of the US). Then going on to insist the only two valid parts of the US are East Coast and West Coast and no other categories exist because I wasn't taught about them in school.

...where the fuck did you grow up that you were taught that? I'm American, and we were taught that China, the Koreas, and Japan were East Asia. Everything else was Southeast.

Well, there's India / Pakistan / Sri Lanka and other such areas as South Asia too. But yeah, anything down from China, Vietnam onwards, is Southeast.

Meet the orang asli, the indigenous people of Malaysia:

http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.6154969.2945/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_N0etphrdLf0/SwSCKehVbCI/AAAAAAAAFKg/yUIFZECeUKE/s1600/ScannedImage-46.jpg
http://www.exclusiveoutdoor.com.sg/images/ActivitiesPhotos/TamanNegara/OrangAsliVillage/Asli1.jpg

Labeling people... it's not as simple as you think.

Ehhh... orang asli literally just translates to 'first people', it's sort of a catch all term for 'rural / tribal / non-Muslim' rather than a specific way to describe indigenous people. There are similarities to other indigenous groups, I guess, but more because they haven't modernized or they don't live in cities than because they have some culture or whatever. It also covers a bunch different ethnicities with their own varied cultures and customs.

Like - orang asli are a SERIOUSLY tiny minority and most people living around here just don't really pay attention to their existence and see the title of 'bumiputera' (lit: child of the earth / son of the soil) as more valid. By which I mean, Malay people who are not orang asli actually consider themselves equally as 'native' to the land as orang asli in terms of heritage and history.

I don't disagree? My point to mekkio was here are some Malaysians who do not fit her idea of "Asians" and therefore "not brown", as shown in the picture she provided.

Oh, yeah, but most Malays are pretty brown too, as are lots of Chinese who are East Asian or Asian in the sense she's talking about. It's more of a South China thing, the fair / paler Chinese people tend to be Northerners. I'd actually go so far as to argue that the people she linked a photo of (i.e. pretty girls) are not actually representative of how the vast majority of people look like.

http://i.imgur.com/xuWrmIA.jpg is a bunch of Malay kids from Indonesia, this is basically what a lot of Malay kids look like (and they wouldn't be considered orang asli). Definitely not pale East Asian in the least. My own family has people whose skin colour range from pale as all fuck to super dark, but most tend towards brownish anyway. What I'm saying is, you're not wrong, but pretty much close to all Malay people aren't East Asian in terms of looks, not just the orang asli who are like... what, 0.5% of the population there. And Malaysia is a country with a Malay majority population too.

The real thing that throws me is considering people who are from the Middle East as brown, because going by skin tone, the Arab people I know are pale as fuck. It's kind of a thing, there's a lot of discrimination based on how fair people are, and Southeast Asians / South Indians usually get the worst of it.

Again, we're not really disagreeing here. I mentioned the orang asli as one example, not to suggest that all Malaysians look like this. I'm well aware the population has a wide variation in skin tones, I'm not the one who thinks all Malaysian look like the picture of the three women. That's mekkio's argument.

On a related note, how would you describe Filipinos? Brown or Asian. Because in the US, they would be classified by Asian. However, according to your standard, they would be considered brown.

In the US, Asian doesn't mean just pale. It means people from the Asian area east, south and north of India. People from Indonesia would be considered Asian and not brown. It has more to do with facial features than skin color. You can be light or dark but if the majority of your population has epicanthic folds, rounded flatter features and lay east of India, you are considered Asian.

Southeast Asian AND brown? I mean, okay, if you really want to be picky it'd depend on which ethnic group, and I know how those things work in the US, all Asians are kinda Asian. I actually studied there, and it was pretty hilarious that I got lumped in with people with whom I felt I had basically absolutely nothing in common with besides 'Americans think of us as the same, welp'.

nayrt - I'd say they were brown Asians. I don't think the two ideas are mutually exclusive and it's weird to me that some people do.

I think you're operating under some basic misunderstandings here. "Malaysian" means an inhabitant of Malaysia, so we come in all shades. Three largest ethnic groups in Malaysia are Malay, Chinese and Indian, but it's a very mixed population. "Malay", which is nearly synonymous with Islam in Malaysia is an ethnic group, which also comes in many shades because they, too, are a mixed people. You have Malays who look more light-skinned and "Asian", by your definition. You also have Malays who resemble the "Arabic, Persian, Pakistani and Indian" people you consider to be brown. Complicating that matter is that some of the indigenous people of Malaysia look quite different, more closely fitting your definition of "brown" as a previous comment indicated.

But the bottom line is... please don't try and decide for other people whether or not they're brown. Especially since you don't seem to know very much about Malaysia or its people. I'm sure you mean well, and you're probably going by what you're taught, but I'm sure you must know that the American education system is not the greatest when it comes to teach other countries' history and cultures. Implying that all Malaysians are Asian and therefore not brown is just not a path you want to go down.

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