[ SECRET POST #2947 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2947 ⌋

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Comments

[kallanda_lee]

Only it proves exactly zero, because they're different characters.

For one, original Uhura is much loved, so deviations and different interpretations of her character will be default generate criticism.

Secondly there is the relationship with Spock that is controversial because a) it's not in original canon and b) given who Spock is, ANY attempt to couple him up will be controversial.


Carol - I actually had to google her name - is less criticized because she's more forgettable.

[(Anonymous)]

Secondly there is the relationship with Spock that is controversial because a) it's not in original canon and b) given who Spock is, ANY attempt to couple him up will be controversial

Except, in this fandom people ship Spock with Kirk and it's generally those people who hate Uhura and her relationship with Spock (that Nichelle Nichols abd Leonard Nimoy fully approve)

[(Anonymous)]

Kirk/Spock is not canon. Do you really think that the writers hooking Spock up with Kirk wouldn't have been just as - if not more - controversial?

[(Anonymous)]

Stop derailing the point. Yes, it's not canon either and that's the point. The other person said that s/u is hated because it's not canon and it features a relationship with Spock, BUT most of the people that passionately hate her for the relationship ARE kirk/spock fans who support a not canon spock relationship themselves and would be happy if the reboot made their ship canon instead.
General fans don't give a damn for the most part, it's the shippers or fanboys with sexist agenda that are the most vocal.
That ship is actually more popular and well accepted among the non shippers trek fans than people make it seems that they are and they generally got a positive reaction from critics and even their original actors loved it.
For all the problems the reboot can have, uhura and spock being in love is the last thing trek fans care about and the most asinine reason one can complain about (as if this is the first movie with a romance! Duh!). Besides, trek fans who read the books remember that s/u is something that tptb admitted trying to set up in the series too.
It's not like putting Carol with Bones, which is a ship I see K/S pushing to becone canon in the reboot in spite of the fact that her canon relationship is with kirk and they had a son.

Tl;dr: the canon excuse is bullshit because it's the shippers who have issues here and since when shippers care about canon?

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

The other person said that s/u is hated because it's not canon

Bullshit. They were saying it's hated because it wasn't canon and is now. Unless you're saying the giant shipwar existed back in pre-reboot TOS fandom, when they were both equally non canon?

(If it actually did I retract my comment, but I'm pretty sure that's not true.)

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Why would the existence or lack thereof of a giant shipwar in re-reboot TOS fandom matter here? Slashers will hate on women for getting in the way whether they're just a potential love interest or whether they're in a canonical relationship with one half of the OTP. This is an extremely common and well-documented phenomenon.

Many of Uhura's most vocal haters would absolutely not be so vocal or haterly towards her if the non-canonical relationship in the reboot hadn't involved Uhura + one half of their OTP.

Further, your hair-splitting distinction between "not canon" and "wasn't canon and is now" is so... hair-splitting. You're naive if you think that the most vocal of S/U haters are simply against it because the ship is non-canon or shoehorned in. And as ayrt pointed out, S/U was something that they hinted at and wanted to make happen in the original series but couldn't do because racism, and Nimoy and Nichols have both reacted positively to S/U.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

> General fans don't give a damn for the most part, it's the shippers or fanboys with sexist agenda that are the most vocal.

Yeah, ship wars and kranks take up disproportionate bandwidth. Most of us don't care and have moved on to wondering how Abrams is going to ruin Star Wars.