[ SECRET POST #2947 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2947 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Uhm where were these people when tos uhura was underdeveloped in the original 72 episodes and all subsequent movies? Even Nichelle Nichols said that her character was treated like shit but no one cares except when, well guess it, the reboot makes her more prominent, give us her first name (chosen by Niuchelle), restores the canon that she is a linguist too and not just a phone operator and puts her in the 'controversial' relationship with Spock (half of the most popular slash ship) that they couldn't even vaguely hint in the racist 60s.

I call it bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

What?

[(Anonymous)]

Da

“Nichelle Nichols had decided leave the original Star Trek series after the first season. Fed up with racist harassment and limitation, culminating with her learning that studio executives were withholding her fan mail, she submitted her resignation. She withdrew it when Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. convinced her that her role was too important a cultural breakthrough to leave.”

“I’d get the first draft, the white pages, and see what Uhura had to do this week, and maybe it was a halfway-decent scene or two, sometimes more, and then invariably the next draft would come in on blue pages and I’d find that Uhura’s presence in the show had been cut way down. The pink pages came next and she’d suffer some more cuts, then the yellow, more cuts, and it finally got to the point where I had really had it. I mean, I just decided that I don’t even need to read the FUCKING SCRIPT! I mean I know how to say, ‘hailing frequencies open.’”

"Still, no matter how many qualities she has instilled in Uhura, Nichelle feels that in the movies her character has not been developed to its fullest potential the way it has been in fan fiction. -
‘I think Uhura is a very independent woman but a relationship for her would be a very exciting aspect to delve into. There is a great potential to develop Uhura because she has many interesting qualities.’ …. ”

"Looking back, Nichols would have welcomed the opportunity to expand her character beyond the limitations of a supporting role:
"You must understand that I’m an actor, not a communications officer, and as such, I would have treasured the opportunity to act, to have been a character developed and have experiences other than keeping the communications open.”

She loves what they did with Uhura in the reboot and even thanked JJ and Zoe Saldana
She supports Spock/Uhura too because she said it was supposed to happen in tos too but the 60s were too racist even the kiss with Kirk, that was forced, almost didn't get an ok from the network and some producers.

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt

Well, shit. I can see why the complains for her character in the reboot seem to be the concerning trolling kind especially if they never complained before but they suddenly complain only now that she seems to be developed at least in par with white female characters.

[ketita]

*shrug* I'm not in the fandom, so I really can't say where the fandom was. I know that I am happy that Uhura was there at all, because for its time it was incredibly progressive. Doesn't mean it's perfect.
I can say for myself personally, the discussion about a character who is simply not very present/important is different from one who is important but whose development I find flawed. The complaints about lack of development/inclusion are about just that, the lack. It's not about the character herself.
So yeah, Uhura in the show disappointed me because she wasn't included and wasn't developed, but it didn't make me dislike *her*, I was disappointed in the writers/society. In the movie, she had enough characterization for me to not be crazy about the personality they wrote her, though I was glad she got characterization.

Either way, I care about Uhura 5000000000000000000% more than that blonde chick, and I like her better anyway.
/still not in the fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Likely not born?

I suspect a fair amount of the criticism directed at Uhura is shipping related, but even so my expectations for how a black character was handled in the sixties are always going to be significantly different to how they're handled now a days. Back in the sixties just having a black recurring female character on a show probably was progressive especially if they also occasionally got to do something. Just having a black female character who occasionally gets to do something in your cast isn't progressive in 2000 and whatever so I can see why only marginally developing her a few steps above what she was in the sixties might generate more criticism than her sixties counter-part might have experienced. Expectations are understandably much higher or should be. Having Alice Eve's character strip for no real discernible reason beyond she's hot was also pretty cringe-worthy.

I only started watching the old Star Trek recently and it's hard for me to take seriously the idea that it's set in the 23rd century because of how laughably antiquated the treatment of women's roles seem today. But for the time some of it may have seemed fairly progressive. If they were creating the show now I'd also be a helluva lot more critical if the women weren't much more developed than their sixties counterparts were.

[(Anonymous)]

Everything you said would be fine if people weren't actually saying that she is better developed in tos, and all due respect but that's bullshit.
For nowadays standards (especially for woc) of how secondary characters are developed, her reboot version is one of the few characters the reboot improved and did better and I have no doubt that some of these people would love her if she did the same things but wasn't in a relationship with Spock and she was single or paired with a character that isn't kirk or spock. Let's call it the way it is. Some people want to have unreasonable standards for the female characters and not just in this fandom. If they get in the way of a slash ship they are doomed.
We all want better female characters and more queer representation but pushing for arbitrary het erasure (ignoring intersectionality and context) or asexual female characters isn't the way.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL "het erasure"

Sorry but that's damn funny -- and I say that as a straight woman of color with WAY less representation than even black women, let alone white women

[(Anonymous)]

I think we are talking about the the 'strong independent woman who doesn't need no man' thing here because yeah.. everytime a female character is in love, fans will call her 'weak' or reduced to a love interest even when it's not true. Idk if it's het erasure (b/c of course most of the romances in media with women are still het) as much as it's the erasure of women considered as human beings and who don't need to be single or unfeeling to be 'strong'.
Asexuality also shouldn't be used as an excuse to further marginalize people (woc, queer people) whose sexuality and feelings are already erased and made a bad thing.

[(Anonymous)]

What is 'het erasure'? Is that the latest thing the anti-slash brigade have come up with lol?

Some people tend to get ugly with characters who get in the way of their ships and no that's not exclusive to slash fandoms as much as people have suddenly decided to pretend otherwise.