[ SECRET POST #2947 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2947 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Likely not born?

I suspect a fair amount of the criticism directed at Uhura is shipping related, but even so my expectations for how a black character was handled in the sixties are always going to be significantly different to how they're handled now a days. Back in the sixties just having a black recurring female character on a show probably was progressive especially if they also occasionally got to do something. Just having a black female character who occasionally gets to do something in your cast isn't progressive in 2000 and whatever so I can see why only marginally developing her a few steps above what she was in the sixties might generate more criticism than her sixties counter-part might have experienced. Expectations are understandably much higher or should be. Having Alice Eve's character strip for no real discernible reason beyond she's hot was also pretty cringe-worthy.

I only started watching the old Star Trek recently and it's hard for me to take seriously the idea that it's set in the 23rd century because of how laughably antiquated the treatment of women's roles seem today. But for the time some of it may have seemed fairly progressive. If they were creating the show now I'd also be a helluva lot more critical if the women weren't much more developed than their sixties counterparts were.

[(Anonymous)]

Everything you said would be fine if people weren't actually saying that she is better developed in tos, and all due respect but that's bullshit.
For nowadays standards (especially for woc) of how secondary characters are developed, her reboot version is one of the few characters the reboot improved and did better and I have no doubt that some of these people would love her if she did the same things but wasn't in a relationship with Spock and she was single or paired with a character that isn't kirk or spock. Let's call it the way it is. Some people want to have unreasonable standards for the female characters and not just in this fandom. If they get in the way of a slash ship they are doomed.
We all want better female characters and more queer representation but pushing for arbitrary het erasure (ignoring intersectionality and context) or asexual female characters isn't the way.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL "het erasure"

Sorry but that's damn funny -- and I say that as a straight woman of color with WAY less representation than even black women, let alone white women

[(Anonymous)]

I think we are talking about the the 'strong independent woman who doesn't need no man' thing here because yeah.. everytime a female character is in love, fans will call her 'weak' or reduced to a love interest even when it's not true. Idk if it's het erasure (b/c of course most of the romances in media with women are still het) as much as it's the erasure of women considered as human beings and who don't need to be single or unfeeling to be 'strong'.
Asexuality also shouldn't be used as an excuse to further marginalize people (woc, queer people) whose sexuality and feelings are already erased and made a bad thing.

[(Anonymous)]

What is 'het erasure'? Is that the latest thing the anti-slash brigade have come up with lol?

Some people tend to get ugly with characters who get in the way of their ships and no that's not exclusive to slash fandoms as much as people have suddenly decided to pretend otherwise.