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And I don't quite know what to think. I definitely don't like the ending. I guess I'm just a sucker for people getting their "just desserts." But the end really kind of made me wish I hadn't been so absorbed by the rest of the book. Anyone else who read this, any thoughts?

I wanted to make a post like this, but about the movie. If you've seen it, what are the main differences? Because I could complaint all day long about how there's no way in hell that person would get away with it in that movie.

In the book he becomes a bit more savy and start's being able to play her at her own game.

I prefer the movie, I don't get how people can be pulling for him.

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I haven't seen the movie, but that was one of my thoughts about the book. She had to be so smart and so meticulous in her plots and it was hard to believe she didn't forget something or people would notice how dodgy all the little details were.

Was the head wound addressed in the book? Because to me that isn't a little detail, it's a giant plot hole. They believed she'd been hurt enough to lose all that blood at the beginning and found the supposed murder weapon, but when she returns (after not much time, even) there's no trace left of a big injury?

I know that in the book they give more details on Desi's life, but in the movie it's vague enough that his death is pretty much a wild card for her plans too.

Not really, no. She claimed the blood came from a stab wound, where she cut herself on the arm, though she did say he knocked her out with the club.

The Book: The focus of the story revolves around Nick and how the women in his life make it horrible.

The Movie: The focus of the story revolves around Amy and how she is trying to out smart everyone.

Strange enough, the plot is almost the same. It's all how it's directed that makes the difference.

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Huh. I haven't seen the movie but could you explain this to me a little more?

It's hard to describe because it's all about direction. For one thing, you don't really hear Nick's inner monologue like you do in the book. In fact, the only time you hear it is in the opening scene when he is wondering what is going on in his Amy's head. So his whole "All women are out to get me" blabberings are gone. Because of this, the women characters are no longer seen the same way as in the book. For example, Boney is no longer shown as a woman cop who hates Nick because he is man (At least that's what he suggests.) She is just a cop doing her job. On the flip side, we do get Amy's monologues, "The Cool Girl" one as well as her reason for framing Nick. We get to climb into her head in a way we don't with Nick's.
Another thing, we get Amy's back story but we don't one for Nick's. For example, while Nick's father played a big role on shaping Nick, Pa Dunne is in the movie for all of a minute. Instead, the focus is put on Amy's parents and how they screwed her up.

The focus in on Amy. The villain. And how she is pulling this frame job off and why.

Agreed about the story with Nick's father. I was confused when I watched the film, because I have never read the book. My sister watched it with me and she had to fill me about how Nick said he didn't want to be like his father since she had read the book.

To me, without Nick's POV it makes Nick seem like this stupid guy who just got strung along into this crazy chick's revenge because he's a cheating asshole. My sister said the book makes you hate the both of them equally.

Oh, yeah. Flynn can't write a likeable lead to save her life. Nick was way more horrible in the book. He comes across as an absolute woman hater. Not just hating Amy but all women. Even at one point, his twin sister. The closest person he has in his life.

That's exactly how I felt. It just felt as though the whole thing had been pointless. Both the events in the story and my bothering to read it.

I'm not even that concerned about "just desserts" or any neat and tidy endings, but I do need a story to have taken me somewhere, if that makes sense. I want some kind of change, for better or worse. This was just terrible people being terrible, staying terrible, and being terrible in future. If the message is meant to be "sometimes people just stay terrible" I can turn on the news for that. It just felt absolutely pointless.

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I think you articulated what I was feeling better than I did. Yeah, I can read books where the bad guy wins, but this one just wasn't satisfying to me.

I loved the ending because the villain won in the end. I was expecting for Nick to pull a Hallelujah but the fact that he didn't and he's stuck with this psychopath who could at any given moment kill him and make it look like an accident or that he deserve it is brilliant. It's so utterly chilling and different from how these books usually go.

And I love how Amy isn't your usual female villain. Usually women villain are portrayed as sexy, sultry femme fatales. But, frankly, Amy isn't that. She's just a psychopath who will destroy anyone who pisses her off. There is no sex tied to it. Yes, she might use it as a weapon as she did with Desi. But for the most part, she attacks both genders. People she knows and people she doesn't know. (Remember, she tried to destroy that one truck driver's life because she didn't like how he drove? That was creepy.) Amy is simply chaos that comes across as order.

She reminds me of the Joker or Hannibal. I wish we could get more female villains like that.

yesssss i love female villians like that

female villians are often either creepy little ghost girls, or evil witches, or femme fatales.

it's so refreshing to find one that is just genuinely CREEPY and disturbing.

my other two favourites would have to be Hedda Gabler (from the play of the same name - i headcanon her as a psychopath or a narcissist of some sort) and Hester Harper from The Well by Elizbaeth Jolley.

I'd really love more that are similar to Hannibal Lecter. Or Steerpike from Gormenghast. Ones that are genuinely manipulative and scary as fuck.

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