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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-01-30 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #2949 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2949 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Howl's Moving Castle]


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[True Detective]


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[Homestuck]


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[Jane the Virgin]


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(Transformers Armada)


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[Hannibal - Richard Armitage/Lee Pace]


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15. [ SPOILERS for Into the Woods ]



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(Anonymous) 2015-01-31 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Actually the long history of satire, especially since printed works became prevalent, is a very different thing in Europe to the US, and came about in response to very different social conditions.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-31 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
+100000000000000

(Anonymous) 2015-01-31 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
And PoC in France have called it out on its bigotry and harmfulness.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-31 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
and that discounts that it has a different context and history to US satire... how, exactly?

(Anonymous) 2015-01-31 08:25 am (UTC)(link)
exactly that just because it has a different context doesn't make everything about it somehow exotic and not understandable and beyond reasonable criticism.

/European here

(Anonymous) 2015-01-31 10:29 am (UTC)(link)
Do you know the first thing about the origins of European satire?

Being European doesn't magically give you knowledge about European satire, btw. It just makes you look kind of stupid when you don't know what you're talking about.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-31 11:05 am (UTC)(link)
Nothing is beyond criticism. That's the whole basis of satire itself.

There is, however, a big distinction between The Daily Show, and a form of expression that has existed within Europe since the 1600s (even earlier if you count Chaucher as a satirist) and has in its time mocked everything from the church to royalty and formed the basis of the people within these cultures realizing that they could criticize and question the establishment. It simply hasn't been used in that same way in the US, and those who understand American satire will have a different perception of its context and its uses.

The historical context of what satire means, and has achieved within Europe over the past 500 years of social commentary and liberation isn't "just an excuse" for people to get away with whatever they want to say. And it's neither exotic nor difficult to understand the differences and the reason e.g. the French value so deeply their ability to use satire as social criticism, if you look into it a little and don't default to "it's just an excuse."