[ SECRET POST #2949 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2949 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Persona 4]


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[Howl's Moving Castle]


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[True Detective]


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[Homestuck]


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[Jane the Virgin]


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(Transformers Armada)


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[Hannibal - Richard Armitage/Lee Pace]


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15. [ SPOILERS for Into the Woods ]



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Comments

[sarillia]

When do you decide that it's impossible for a certain person to be rehabilitated? I'd like to see greater emphasis on rehabilitation before making decisions about how effective it is or isn't.

[philstar22]

Oh, I completely and totally agree. I'm all for rehabilitation. I think it is underutilized (and should especially be the primary focus when it comes to juveniles). I think using it works, and I think it actually saves more money than building more prisons. It should always be the first resort and attempted.

I just think that sometimes it isn't possible and also that sometimes it should happen within prison because I don't think risking the lives of other people while you wait for rehabilitation to work is okay.

[sarillia]

Risking the lives of others while trying for rehabilitation wouldn't be a problem in how I'd like to see things because I'd still want to separate them from potential victims and from the environment that helped trigger the behavior during the rehabilitation process.

[philstar22]

Okay, that makes sense. I agree with you there. I just don't get the "abolition" thing that my friends believe in at all.

[sarillia]

I tend to be more concerned with attitudes than anything. Mostly what bothers me is the way people in prison are often treated as less than human. I was planning on getting a prison pen pal a while back and when my very liberal friends heard, even their reaction was an immediate "but what if the person is a rapist or a murderer!?" because when a person hears about a prisoner their minds immediately jump to the worst conclusions and ignore all the other reasons people end up there, and then combined with the way people people deny that those who commit certain crimes are people and instead think of them as monsters, it all goes nowhere good. I think the best and the worst of humanity are not as rare as people think and it's important to acknowledge that good and bad exist in all people at the same time without diminishing the other.

Basically I'm a terrible activist because I spend too much time thinking abstract thoughts about society and humanity and not enough looking at concrete action.

[philstar22]

Ha. I tend to try to mix abstract thoughts with active participation in things like protests.

I think I basically mostly agree with you and just think some people take it too far. And absolutely prisoners are not treated as human beings and prison as it is now is horrifying.

[sabotabby]

I knew a murderer (again, through prison activism). He'd killed someone in a drunken bar fight when he was still a teenager, been sentenced to life imprisonment, and was out on parole. He didn't deny what he did, and it was clear that he was a very different person than he'd been when he went to jail.

There was no doubt, in his mind or anyone else's, that he'd done a horrible, unforgivable thing. But he was also very much not a monster. He wrote incredible poetry (I have two volumes of his work, which I sometimes recommend to at-risk kids) and spoke eloquently about his experiences. I think he does more for society outside than he'd be doing inside.

Basically I'm a terrible activist because I spend too much time thinking abstract thoughts about society and humanity and not enough looking at concrete action.

Eh, we need both.

[sarillia]

Can I have a link to his poetry? I'm always looking for more poets I might like. Plus I'd like to support someone who has done the hard work of changing like that. Does my idealist little heart good.

[sabotabby]

Sure! His name is John Rives. There is another poet named that, making Googling his stuff hard, but here's his page on poets.ca with a bit of his bio and this is the one book I found online, though he's got quite a few others.

Also check out Susan Musgrave and Stephen Reid. She's a poet, he's a bank robber (who is also a published author now). Her work is incredible, and their marriage is fascinating to say the least.

[sarillia]

Thanks!

The name Susan Musgrave sounds familiar but I can't think of why.

[sabotabby]

She was pretty famous in Canada at one point, and deserves to be much more famous. A Man To Marry, A Man To Bury is IMO her best work (out of print, but you can get used copies on the intertubes). Doesn't have anything to do with the conversation at hand; it's just really great.

Alll the rape/abuse/child molestation warnings

[lb_lee]

Enh, I don't know very much about assault and murder sort of thing, but I do know a little about rape, abuse, and child-molestation. Basically, the more offenses a perp commits, the more rock-solid their internal justifications become. After someone's molested two or more kids, it's pretty much a given that they will never be rehabilitated.

For instance, my grandfather molested children for at least thirty years, with at least four victims. (This is only the numbers that I'm SURE of. It could've been as much as fifty years, and god knows how many vics.) By the time he got to me, I am absolutely certain he had absolutely no guilt or reservations about what he was doing, and that he no longer saw me as a human being, merely an object to use or share. He was pretty much the classic pedophile child-molester.

From what little I've read, a good abuse rehabilitation program actually mostly focuses on warning their victims and doing damage control, because they very rarely actually rehabilitate an abuser. Because in the abuser's mind, everything they do is justified, and the sort of ego shock that comes from realizing, no, you're a terrible person, is generally too much.

So yeah. I honestly believe that the only way someone like my grandfather would've been safe to be around is if he was kept away from all children forever. There was no way that man would ever have seen what he was doing as wrong.

--Rogan

Re: Alll the rape/abuse/child molestation warnings

[sarillia]

That's fair. My opinions on this are still forming. I can live with the idea that some people aren't going to change. I just don't like the system we have now and there are some icky attitudes that some people pass through on the way to the same conclusions you've made that I'd like to challenge.

And I'm sorry you and so many others went through that. You've said you're doing better now before, and I hope the healing process keeps going well.

Re: Alll the rape/abuse/child molestation warnings

[lb_lee]

It's okay. Like I said, I wouldn't try and voice things about physical assault, because that's not something I know much about. And I DEFINITELY don't think the prison system is good for the folks who COULD be rehabilitated. Even the grandfather, supperating cocksore that he was, I'm not sure deserved the common prison reaction to child molesters. I've been raped enough to know I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Not even him. (Especially since it would just be used as more justification.)

Like honestly, even the grandfather, I never really wanted anything bad to happen to him. (Well, except when I'm having horrible flashbacks and crippling side effects, but that's still spoken out of agony, not in my rational state of being.) I just wanted him to stop and face the consequences of his actions. Which he never did. (And by 'consequences,' I don't mean 'get raped in the prison system,' I mean never being allowed around kids, losing face and trust with everyone around him, and being known as a child-molester and terrible person.)

--Rogan