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[The To-Do List, Brandy/Willy]

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[Avatar: Legend of Korra]

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[The Amazing World of Gumball]

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[Agents of Shield]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Galavant]

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[Soukyuu no Fafner Exodus]

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[Jamie Dornan from "The Fall"]

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(Neil Gaiman)

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I wonder why it's all right for stories about racism to be all about a man and his fellow men who are victims of it, but if a story about sexism is only about a white woman, it's evil white feminism.

And I feel guilty for feeling that way, because I have a couple colleagues who legitimately get annoying with their white woman tears about things outside of the tumblr internet social justice realm (things like "people respect to that black woman over there more than meeeee because they're afraid of being raaaaaacist, but they don't care about not treating me sexist") and I feel like I'm turning into them.

I don't know…

I mean, I completely understand the desire for inclusion. But at the same time, I think people forget that the 1940s were America's whitest decade. Where a full 90% of the population was white according to Wikipedia.

I saw someone mention changing Angie, for example, into a black woman. But then my mind thought of that really uptight woman who runs Angie and Peggy's apartment complex and I thought: "Would a black woman really have been allowed to live there in 1946?" Maybe. I mean, it's New York City and not the Jim Crow South. But I doubt it.

And I understand that Captain America is a superhero series and takes liberties with history (having both a black man and a Japanese man in Steve's unit when the Army was segregated during WWII). But at the same time, I still feel that that is at least plausible. That Steve, as Captain America, would have enough pull to get whoever he wanted on his unit.

But Peggy works for an intelligence agency. And I just feel like there should be inclusion, but at the same time, sometimes their suggestions sound like they would really sugarcoat history too, fantasy series or not. Maybe I'm wrong about that, I'll admit.

I feel like "secret agency supposed to fly under the radar" is a really good reason for somewhere to be less diverse in the 1940s, actually. There were still plenty of places and even countries that you just couldn't get a non-white person into around that time, and I really don't think "diverse, but everyone not-white mans the phones" is the kind of diversity that people want. I mean, we can maybe hold out that Anna is black and Jewish, which would be a nice change, but I think the show is working pretty well with what the time period provides.

Aaaaand then there are those who think choosing to set a story in a racist time period is just an excuse not to have POC in it. Let's not write about any time before the 1970s unless it's a moral about racism!

I'm pretty sure there was a black woman present (with a line even) during the dinner scene where they discuss stealing food. But yeah... that's it. I think making Angie non-white could have worked. I figure Peggy's life outside of work is the most likely place for diversity to occur, given that she lives in New York. Her fellow agents are all men, so I don't think a layer of racism in the organization on top of sexism is all that unbelievable.

I heard M*A*S*H had this same problem - the amount of diversity they wanted to have on the show was historically inaccurate for a U.S. Army medical unit in the Korean War.

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