[ SECRET POST #2951 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2951 ⌋

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[The To-Do List, Brandy/Willy]


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[Avatar: Legend of Korra]


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[The Amazing World of Gumball]


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[Agents of Shield]


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[Game of Thrones]


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[Galavant]


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[Soukyuu no Fafner Exodus]


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[Jamie Dornan from "The Fall"]


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Comments

[iceyred]

The federal government can't stop them. Freedom of Speech is guaranteed by the Constitution.

Local government can make them get a temporary event permit and they might have to get the police involved to keep the peace (I mean, my city had the cops double check the route of a marathon for charity. I'm sure that if some Nazis showed up, the cops would want to be informed).

[(Anonymous)]

I'm trying to figure out how it compares to what we have here - because it's not like we don't have the freedom of speech in our constitution too. And we do have nationalist, racist and fascist-like organizations which can march through a city, but theoretically any direct call for a violent action is illegal - you can monologue away about all the vices of your chosen hated group, but you can't acctually just shout out loud to your supporters about killing them. Don't you have any limits/rules like these?

[(Anonymous)]

Err, I don't think any of these groups can say they are going to kill people or whatever. America has freedom of speech (which includes any ideology, racist, sexist, whatever)... but that ends when someone's life or the community is in danger. Obviously you can't say you're going to kill someone, that counts as a threat and is taken seriously. Or if you say you're going to blow up somewhere.

Though I'm not sure, you might be able to say something general and non direct, like "these group deserves to die" because that doesn't indicate you actually are going to do something... but idk.

[(Anonymous)]

You can say "We should kill all the people". You can't say "let's kill them all right now, come on, I'm serious, go do it."

[ozaline]

yeah you can't say, "let's go burn down a synagogue," but you can wave Nazi flags, and say "Hitler was right," or whatever it is they say as long as your not making a specific call to violence.

As far as I understand... not a lawyer never been around when that kind of rally is on >_> (thankfully I don't think they happen in my city much at all).

[iceyred]

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer.

Hate speech isn't protected. Nor is slander, nor calls to violence. How exactly that's administered, I'm not sure. I imagine it varies from state to state, and possibly even locality to locality.

[kaffy_r]

Depending on what your interpretation of "hate speech" and "protected" are, and yes, hate speech is protected; for instance, it is protected in the U.S. as long as it does not become hate action.

I've lived in the U.S. for more than 35 years, and it's still a little gobsmacking to me, as someone born in Canada. But after all this time, it makes a certain type of sense - for this country.

[iceyred]

I actually looked this up today and you're right. I've spent years thinking hate speech wasn't protected, and it turns out it is. Huh. The more you know...

Anyways, thanks for the correction.

[kaffy_r]

Less a correction than some additional facts. I found this entire discussion really fascinating, because of the incredible differences in cultural context and legal concepts. I think it does us North Americans good to be reminded regularly that what we take for granted - i.e., the ability to point and jeer at Nazis or neo-Nazis, secure in the assumed knowledge that they'll be outnumbered by opponents - is not at all to be taken for granted elsewhere. It's sad, and scary, and necessary to remember.

[(Anonymous)]

You can't talk about wanting to kill any person or group of people -- but you can talk a dog's legs off about how they should go back to their own country/province/planet, and about how they are tarnishing the lily white pure Murkin blood and bedsheets.

Any call to action regarding the assault against a person, verbal or physical, is illegal. Any call to action to boycott, block access to (suBtly, of course), or otherwise disrupt business without actually going in a throwing shit around, how awful "they" are as a people, how "they" are causing x, y, and z problems in society is not illegal. But you cannot (by law, not necessarily in practice) call on your supporters to go fuck shit up, or otherwise suggest what specific actions ought be taken against a person or group.

And yes, you can fly swastikas.