[ SECRET POST #2952 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2952 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Tales of Zestiria]


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03.
[Strange Magic]


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04.
[Sleepy Hollow]


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[Star Trek: TNG]


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06.
[Person of Interest]


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07.
(Dangan Ronpa)


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08.
(Splash, Daryl Hannah)


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09.
[Once Upon a Time]


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[VH1's Hindsight]













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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The beauty of the Legolas/Gimli friendship (or romance if you see it that way) was that it was overcoming institutional racism. Gimli might have reason to think badly about Legolas because Thranduil imprisoned his dad. But, I never had the sense that Gimli or the other Dwarves were anything to Legolas at all. I never go that he "hated" them at all. He just had certain prejudices against Dwarves -- nothing from his own experience, just stereotypes his people carried.

But then he got to know Gimli and realized the truth.

It bugs me that now Legolas has this specific reason to dislike Dwarves or emotional baggage to overcome or whatever the fuck the Tauriel/Kili thing did to him. It was much more interesting to me to see someone overcome institutional racism, rather than some personal issue.

The Legolas in the Hobbit is lightyears away from the Legolas in the book. He is such a dick. I really didn't see that in the LOTR movies. Let's not forget that the Legolas in the book ran to go find the sun.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the characterization of Legolas in The Hobbit was really appalling. I'm not inherently against exploring a different side of a character, and by all means, you can show a more negative side. But Hobbit Legolas truly does not compute with LOTR Legolas. Hobbit Legolas is an angry, hot-headed, racist dick. LOTR Legolas certainly had prejudices but I agree, he didn't act like he had any personal reason to dislike dwarves.

I mean it's obvious Jackson just wanted to bring back the familiar characters where he could, but Legolas was just not a good fit for this role.

[(Anonymous)]

What's sad is that I was super interested to see Legolas in his home. Realistically, there was nowhere Legolas was likely to be -- it would've been weird not to have a nod to him being there. I would've loved to see his relationship with his dad and mom (since I firmly believe she is NOT dead).

Jackson just goes for the cheap, quick drama. There's nothing interesting or clever with what he does. Anything he adds to Tolkien is always really bad. He doesn't seem to have any real understanding of the characters at all. Even giving the argument that movies are different medium, I think he still fails. There are countless ways to make things interesting on film, and Jackson seems to take the laziest route possible. Elves and Dwarves never hated each other to the extent that they do in the films. Legolas' character has been turned completely upside down.

It's very disappointing.

[(Anonymous)]

This might be a weird comparison, but I always felt the Elves and Dwarves were kind of like the French and British. They see each other as rivals and kind of sneer at each other in some ways, but there's no legitimate racial HATRED or hate crimes, such as black people in America endure.

[(Anonymous)]

There was that time that English village killed that shipwrecked monkey because they believed it was French.

But I get what you mean. Nowadays.

Actually, I'm baffled by the hate the French get from the Americans these days. It's like they've decided to take on the mantle of hating them, like somebody has to. France is thousands of miles away from America. It's weird.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the anti-French sentiment mainly got going when France declined to back the Iraq invasion.

I wonder if someone like KnowYourMeme has done a piece on that.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Agreed completely about Jackson. I'm not sure there's much of anything that was his own plot that I liked even in LOTR. I did like expanding Arwen as a character, but her role in the third movie just got to the point of making no sense and getting kind of cheesy. But overall, he didn't have to add that much because he already had too much material to work with.

The Hobbit, on the other hand... man, all of his original dialogue is so terrible. It tends to follow the formula of:

Character 1: *says something vague but dramatic*
Character 2: huh?
Character 1: *three word or less response that's even more dramatic, and doesn't really answer character 2's request for elaboration*

Not to mention his subplots. If you even want to call them "plots" because half of them were totally meaningless and unresolved.

[(Anonymous)]

ALL OF THIS.

Also, I think I would have loved a Legolas cameo in this movie. Like, a couple minute cameo just to remind us that, yeah, these are Legolas's people. But he did not need to be in the Hobbit, particularly if he was going to be used so poorly.

I think that if Legolas hadn't been a key character in movie, the Tauriel/Kili subplot would have worked better from a thematic standpoint. It would have been one more example of "And this is why we don't play with dwarves, kids. As is, it just makes Legolas look petty.