[ SECRET POST #2953 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2953 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's less the idea of eating birds and more of how cruel it is the way they are killed.

I suppose one could say eating ALL meat is cruel but being forcefed and drowned is pretty awful.

[(Anonymous)]

I see your point, but I don't find it useful to distinguish between small birds being killed cruelly when beef cattle aren't exactly gently euthanized before they're processed into meat. Most of the meat I eat is not free range or organic because I cannot afford it. I accept that eating meat in general is a product of cruelty somewhere, so ideologically I do not see much of a difference between a cheeseburger and ortolans.

[(Anonymous)]

Aren't cattle killed with a steel bar through the head?

[otakugal15]

I thought it was an air rifle or a quick shock to the brain? There was an episode of some show with Gordon Ramsay where he raised a pig and had to do the same with a shock to the pig's temples. It was quick, simple, and the animal didn't suffer.

[hiyami]

Electric shocker in civilized countries. Your mileage may vary.

[hiyami]

Oh and, it does so happen that I once made the mistake of putting both hands on badly isaloated wires.

The memory I keep of it is that... I only remember gaining consciousness after a few seconds, stills "stuck" to the metal. My interpretation is that electricity made my brain and nerves "snap" for a little while, so if the electric shockers work like that when applied to the head, that should be painless.

[(Anonymous)]

Is drowning much worse than how, say, chickens are normally killed?

[(Anonymous)]

How are they normally killed? Cutting the throat as some do seems to kill them fairly quick as opposed to drowning.

[(Anonymous)]

I would think a bird would drown very quickly. They have teeny tiny lungs.

[(Anonymous)]

I had a chicken once inhale some water while I was attempting to bathe her to get rid of a bad case of mites. She did not die quickly; it was horrible to watch and I still feel guilty, even though she wasn't one I raised myself. I got her from some people who raised too many hens in too small a space, hence the mites. At least she had a better life for awhile.

[(Anonymous)]

Is that really comparable to actually being submerged, though? (Also, I'm very sorry that happened. Just not sure those are parallel situations.)

[(Anonymous)]

I think the difference is that, even if that is not the reality of the meat industry, it is physically possible to kill a chicken without being sadistic about it. Or at least, people like to think that it is possible. Ortolan, on the other hand, is prepared in a way that is, by requirement, sadistic. If you cook an ortolan and don't force-feed it before drowning it in wine, it's no longer a delicacy. And there's no humane way to drown a bird in wine.

I guess you could argue that it's sadistic to kill any animal in any way for food, but I think it's weird to side eye people for reacting negatively to the idea of cute little birds being drowned in wine, just because what they're eating probably isn't humane either. It's a bizarre and creepy way to kill your food so of course people are going to be creeped out and possibly upset by it. People aren't always perfectly logical creatures.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what I'm trying to figure out - if the drowning part is really sadistic. I just have no idea.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, in the context of this thread I doubt it really matters that much. To someone (like myself) who is unaware of the minutiae of bird husbandry, it certainly sounds like a terrible way to go, so they have a visceral reaction to ortolan that they don't have to, say, a bucket of KFC.

(Naturally, the unfamiliarity of ortolan also likely plays a role, but it seems like most people are more freaked out by the drowning part than they are by the 'weird french bird' part.)

[(Anonymous)]

If you, yourself, would not like to go out in that fashion it is a good indicator that it is, in fact, a shitty way to go.