[ SECRET POST #2957 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2957 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

*sigh* It's only "obvious" if you:

* are completely ignorant of the social context
* have major slash goggles on for everything

Look, ship Holmes/Watson till the cows come home, but it's not canon. And that's okay, honest! Most ships aren't canon! It's only when you insist your non-canon ship is canon because your wishful thinking causes you to wildly misinterpret the text that people think you're an idiot. You don't have to justify your favorite ships by insisting it's canon, silly.

[(Anonymous)]

The current rabid trend for apparently needing to justify your ships with 10,000 word metas and deep contextual analyses that "prove" something is canon is one of the weirdest things about shipping for me.

Is it just me who remembers when literally no-one cared about that sort of thing, they just enjoyed creating fanworks and squeeing and didn't think they were on trial every time they said they shipped something?

[(Anonymous)]

ship manifestoes have been around awhile, anon

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I realize that. They never had the same edge of defensiveness that recent manifestos, if you want to call them that, have. It was always very clear that this was the manifesto writer's opinion and how they interpreted things.

These days, a shippy meta is basically "I've chosen the right ship and you haven't therefore my opinons are all valid so here have all these really subjective things as concrete proof that I'm right and you're wrong."

[(Anonymous)]

Ship manifestoes seem to be on the other side of the is/ought divide from what AYRT is talking about

[anonymous4]

What's weird to me is how ahistorical the 'analysis' is -- a man of ACD/Holmes's class would have had limited contact with women of his own class who were not either family or his wife and would have spent his formative years banged up in a boys-only boarding school. If he was single, whether he was gay or straight, his closest emotional ties would surely have been to men. There's no modern equivalent of the relationship between ACD's Holmes and Watson because, in our world, if a man prefers to be with a woman, he can be.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a general ignorance of history and historical context, IMO. The Victorian era doesn't seem like ancient history to most people and so much of it has influenced western culture that people don't realize just how utterly foreign some of it is to contemporary society.

[(Anonymous)]

I know, it's a bit weird. To me, a huge part of fanfiction and fandom in general is to put your own spin on an original work, usually to explore an issue or scenario that isn't covered in canon. There's no need for any post-rationalization of why your fanon is actually canon.

[were_lemur]

Is it just me who remembers when literally no-one cared about that sort of thing, they just enjoyed creating fanworks and squeeing and didn't think they were on trial every time they said they shipped something?

Yes.

Maybe this was just a "different fandoms, different experiences" thing, but ship wars have been a thing for as long as I've been in fandom. Sometimes, with the added fun of homophobia (OMG HDU SHIP TWO MEN YOU HORRIBLE DEVIANT YOU ARE GOING TO GET US ALL SHUT DOWN!)

[(Anonymous)]

DA

They're not talking about ship wars though, they're talking about how you can't ship anything lately without needing to prove it's somehow canon (or secretly canon, only TPTB can't make it explicit for whatever reason) and have to have reams of canon material to back up everything you say about your ship.

If anything, that defensive attitude had made ship wars even more vicious and toxic than they used to be.