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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-02-08 03:20 pm

[ SECRET POST #2958 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2958 ⌋

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Re: Sometimes I wish more people knew....

[personal profile] ketita 2015-02-10 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
also I really don't think that in Judaism it would be *possible* to turn a person into a golem. That's not how golems are made at all... and the essence of humanity is free will and free choice, and is possibly one of the most important things in Judaism. And the essence of being a Jew is having the opportunity to follow G-d's commands. Having that taken from a person is monstrous.
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Re: Sometimes I wish more people knew....

[personal profile] lb_lee 2015-02-10 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup! Bingo!

Gate Monster isn't actually a golem. He gets MISTAKEN for one because so few people see him and none of them are educated on the matter. But he's not, and the moment someone with any decent education gets a hold of him, it's immediately made clear.

--Rogan
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Re: Sometimes I wish more people knew....

[personal profile] ketita 2015-02-11 08:32 am (UTC)(link)
You know, a very serious question regarding him is whether or not he even counts as alive anymore. Because chances are he wouldn't (there are similar stories of people continuing living in 'unnatural' ways), and if he's not considered alive then it means that he no longer has to keep mitzvot, and he can no longer be part of a minyan, can no longer be called to read the Torah or even say a blessing. I can imagine that for a Jew who has been even some level of devout their entire life this would be torture. It's kind of similar to being excommunicated, but it's being disconnected from G-d. I mean it's essentially being told gently "honey, you really should be in the Next World".
Remember that Judaism is an exceedingly social tradition. It's part of a tribal mentality, and is meant to be kept in groups.
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Re: Sometimes I wish more people knew....

[personal profile] lb_lee 2015-02-13 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
That's a really good question, honestly. I guess my response would be, "What are the criteria in the tradition for living?"

Like, he still can get killed, injured, and healed (though his healing process is slowed down; his body is knitting together rock, after all). He CAN eat or drink, if he wants to, but he doesn't need to (for plot reasons; by the end of the story, that may change) and his digestion is also slowed down. He still has body heat, a pulse, and breathes. Obviously he can walk, talk, emote, and feel pain.

So by most reasoning, I think he WOULD still count as alive?

--Rogan
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Re: Sometimes I wish more people knew....

[personal profile] ketita 2015-02-13 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
I'd have to understand more about what happened to him and what her powers are in order to answer that.
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Re: Sometimes I wish more people knew....

[personal profile] lb_lee 2015-02-10 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, let me thank you for being so informative. This whole time, there's been a MASSIVE hole in my process for this work; I've had great critiques and such from a writer perspective, but I haven't known anyone devout enough who can really Jew check it. You are giving me the grilling I DESPERATELY need, and I really, really appreciate it.

--Rogan
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Re: Sometimes I wish more people knew....

[personal profile] ketita 2015-02-11 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
I appreciate you being willing to actually take the time to try and get it right. The truth is, there are a lot of Jews who don't know our history particularly well, and while it's their right to choose however they do or do not want to live our traditions, none of that is helpful when trying to craft a story from a traditionally Jewish perspective of any sort.

:) I'm glad I can be helpful!