[ SECRET POST #2959 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2959 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I loved the message of this movie. Far better than The Incredibles with their "if everybody's special nobody is". Ugh. I hated that so much. It didn't even make sense.

The Lego movie's message was much healthier. Every cog in a machine is needed. Every person is individual and valuable in some way or other.

[(Anonymous)]

As far as I've been able to tell, Incredibles resonates spectacularly well if, and only if, you're coming at it from a very specific viewpoint: the incredibly gifted kid who's had to hide what they can do all their life because people think it's freaky. From that perspective, it's basically two hours of wish fulfillment. The things that you have to hide will help you save the world! Everyone will love you because of them! (Because real life doesn't work that way, and the other five-year-olds don't want to talk about the Harry Potter books, and kindergarten teachers don't like it when you start reading off the lesson plans.) If you're coming at it from any other viewpoint, it falls flat. Besides, even from that perspective, the moral is weird. If everyone was special, no one would be. I would have been entirely happy with that.

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm. I was that gifted kid you describe. Literally told I was genius level and classified gifted at seven. I spent years hiding it, or told to be more normal, or told to pretend to slow down for the sake of others, not just at school but later at work because it put off clients. I still hated the message of The Incredibles. Just because I have a high IQ and find mathematics easy doesn't mean other people don't all each have their own valuable contributions. Perhaps exactly because I've been that kid I could see what bullshit the movie was trying to peddle. One size fits all never works, but neither are some people more special than others.

[(Anonymous)]

But...the person saying people are more special than others in the movie is the villain. Part of the point is that he's wrong.

Are you sure you're a genius? Because it's pretty dumb to think the message of a movie lies in the crap being spouted by the antagonist. Do you think the message of The Avengers is that humans are naturally slaves?

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't say I was a genius. I said others classified me like that. They were educational psychologists.

I'm as dumb as a bag of bricks, in my opinion. I have trouble with simple everyday tasks. It's entirely possible I've got the message wrong of every movie I ever saw.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't feel like that was really the Incredibles message, though? That was what Syndrome said, and Mr. Incredible doesn't want to celebrate mediocrity, but in the end the message I got was "Don't just try and blend in, embrace what makes you different."

[(Anonymous)]

celebrating mediocrity is bullshit anyway. The way they hand out trophies for trying hard doesn't teach anyone anything other than "there's no need to try harder than you already do"

[(Anonymous)]

that...that isn't what it teaches at all. there have been whole studies ...jesus you are dick. did no one pat yer ass enough for being smarty pants douche?

[(Anonymous)]

This is what the movie was trying to say, that handing out too many trophies only celebrates mediocrity.

I just don't buy it. It's just sour grapes from those on top who got used to being the only ones getting all the attention.

It's like the ones who moan each year that exams are getting easier because the test scores rise. So is the 100m getting shorter then? Because people keep doing that in shorter time as well.

Celebrating the achievements of many doesn't devalue anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, what it mostly teaches is low self esteem and trust issues.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 I agree with you; that wasn't the message I took from the movie. The villain doesn't usually spout the moral of the movie, either, so I'm not sure why some people are taking that statement as the central message.

[ketita]

It wasn't just Syndrome who said it - Dash said it too, but again, I don't think that was the message. Dash was angry and frustrated about how he couldn't do what he wanted, and was lashing out.

I agree that the message is that you shouldn't have to hide what you are and should use your talents for the best.

[(Anonymous)]

It was the mother who said it to Dash. The villain just repeated it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah... if there's a big generic message in that movie, it's more along the lines of "Don't hide your light under a bushel." But, I'd say the movie is as much about striking the right balance between personal freedom and responsibility as anything. At the end of the day, Bob and Helen are the main characters. Bob's having a midlife crisis and Helen's losing sight of her own goals and talents while trying to keep the family together. By the end of the movie, they learn to be true to themselves and keep sight of what's important to them.