[ SECRET POST #2960 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2960 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Better early than late!

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You did NOT give it away, that's the fundamental lack of understanding about how the contracting of ANY form of media works.

My publishing contracts do NOT state anywhere that I'm giving anything away. They state that I am allowing my publishers, at a fee which becomes their percentage of the contract, to distribute the work on my behalf. I don't need a reason to change my mind -- I just don't renew my contract whenever it comes up for renewal, and all distribution ceases. Anyone who then newly accesses the work from that point on is doing so with an unlicensed product via unauthorized distribution channels. The people who already own it are the same as the people who've saved a copy of a fanfic, but it cannot then continue to be distributed.

What world do you live in where product recalls for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER don't happen? When TV shows get cancelled, when the food products we love stop being made anymore?

No one anywhere, in any business, is obligated to keep a product in circulation just for your benefit. When that toaster breaks, then you have to find a new and different one. When that book falls apart, then either you luck out and get an old copy on Ebay or you suck it up and do without.

[(Anonymous)]

They're not obligated to keep a product in circulation, but they can't come knocking at your door demanding you to give back the copy you bought when it was still out there.

[(Anonymous)]

No one's doing that with fanfic either. They're asking that if a writer deletes a fic that readers respect that it's their right to do that and don't continue to share it.

Because if you started making copies of a discontinued product, you can bet your life there'd be a knock at your door. It's not yours to do that with.

[(Anonymous)]

But the thrust of this line of argument came from the idea that people shouldn't save fic for their personal use, that it's wrong to do so because, if the author should choose to take down the fic, there would still be a copy out there. That's akin to still having a toaster after it's no longer being made, and someone saying that it's wrong to keep having that toaster.

[(Anonymous)]

No, actually this single thread derailed that line, but whatever...

By posting a fic, no one is giving permission for those copies to be made in the first place (unless you've agreed to whatever TOS policy a site like AO3 has, but on the same token, if they're assuming the role of distributor in that case, then THEY can revoke that permission at any time too). Like an anon said above, yes most people are doing it for personal use, but it still remains that there's a copy out there of something that no one said a copy could be made out of.

Your whole argument falls flat because you're not comparing like with like. A toaster (or even a paperback book) is NOT the same thing as a fanfic in this context. At all.

[(Anonymous)]

There is literally nothing that can be done to stop that. Nothing. Whining about people having something that you dropped into a public space is ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

See, yes something can be done.

People can show a little bit of fucking respect and a little less "I want it therefore I can take it and fuck anyone else" entitlement.

[(Anonymous)]

You are not entitled to respect any more than someone is entitled to a story.

[(Anonymous)]

Where did I say I thought I was?

I am, however, fully entitled to treat those who show disrespect with the contempt their behavior deserves.

[(Anonymous)]

It's all over everything that you're saying, that something is wrong if you think it's disrespectful, that you have some sort of right not to be disrespected. Creators are as entitled and sniveling as consumers. They think they're special and that they've done something special. But other people can do the exact same thing that you can, and a lot of the times, they can do it better.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, wow there's a whole heap of bitterness in you, isn't there?

[(Anonymous)]

Only matched by yours.

[(Anonymous)]

Please show me how citing facts and dismissing misinformation makes anyone bitter.

[(Anonymous)]

And that's typical, isn't it? Anyone who dares to criticize is "jealous" or "bitter." It's a good diversionary tactic, but it's transparent.

[(Anonymous)]

Almost as typical as descending to adhominem attacks and wild personal assumptions when you can't actually argue against facts.

[(Anonymous)]

You took that bent from the outset, and twisted everything I said to fit some argument you thought I was making.

[(Anonymous)]

....what?

You make factually incorrect comments, I correct you. You make illogical derailments, I ask how that's even relevant.

Please, tell me, how does that twist anything?

...LOL, and you accuse me of diversionary tactics?

[(Anonymous)]

You somehow twisted "if someone has a product, the person who made the product shouldn't be allowed to take it back" into "if you possess a product, you should be able to distribute it" and "writers shouldn't be allowed to stop distributing their work."