[ SECRET POST #2960 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2960 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Better early than late!

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

There's nothing you can do about it once it's out there, unless you've gone through the process of getting protections for it, which you can't do with unlicensed fanworks, which are technically stealing creations from someone else to begin with. But that's besides the point, which is that you can't demand someone give back something you've given to them.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, I'm going to go slow here, okay?

By. Sharing. Work. Fanfic. Or. Otherwise. You. Are. Not. GIVING. Anyone. Anything.

You are posting it on a freely accessible platform. The platform itself could go bust. The archive could be shut down. The site may delete your work anyway.

You. Have. Not. GIVEN. ANYONE. ANYTHING.

You literally CAN'T even 'give' anyone fanfic because like you say, it's not yours TO give even if you wanted to, which you can't.

[(Anonymous)]

Semantics. Sharing something IS giving it away. If I share my pie with someone, then they've eaten that portion, and I can't get it back or demand that they vomit it up because "well I was just sharing, not giving."

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, okay, you go argue "it's semantics!" with IP lawyers, I'll wait.

And you still clearly don't understand the differences between a concrete item and the nebulous right-of-access involved in intangible products.

[(Anonymous)]

They seem to think it's the same thing, since sharing is considered stealing. And a physical piece of media isn't intangible, considering it's physical.

[(Anonymous)]

For fuck's sakes...

I appreciate you're probably from Generation Entitlement and think that all content should be Free Information (except, funnily enough, when it comes to THEIR OWN creative content, nope, that's off limits), but let's try this anyway.

SHARING IS NOT STEALING.

DISTRIBUTING SOMETHING YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO DISTRIBUTE IS NOT LEGAL. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

[(Anonymous)]

IT'S GOOD THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DISTRIBUTING THINGS THEN.

And lol no, nice assumptions, there. I accept that if I put something that I create out there into the world, I no longer have an ounce of control over it. And I never said a goddamned thing about everything being free. Half of this has involved a discussion of purchases, which kinda means that I obviously don't have any problem with people selling their shit if they wish to and are able.

[(Anonymous)]

Then what are you talking about? You've derailed this with a halfassed and illinformed argument about people making copies of fanfics, and someone said that they thought having those copies around -- i.e. that distribution could continue even after they'd exerted their right to remove the fic -- was disrespectful.

And now you're contradicting yourself. If there was no control over the work out there, then the entire economy of media as a consumer good would not exist. Obviously you have control. That's what copyright is for. That's what contracts are for. That's what your publishing company's legal department is for.

[(Anonymous)]

We're copyrighting and getting contracts for fanfic, now? I mean unscrubbed fanfic that's going up on an archive site?

[(Anonymous)]

When someone eats a slice of pie, that slice is gone. When someone reads a fanfic, the fanfic is not used up. It's still there.

[(Anonymous)]

Kind of like how you can use a toaster over and over again.

[(Anonymous)]

And you have a magical toaster than is never going to break or need replacing, do you?

[(Anonymous)]

What does that have to do with owning the original toaster? The fact it's broken doesn't mean you don't still own it.

[(Anonymous)]

Because if it breaks, you can't start cloning it if it's been discontinued.

Because if a fic is gone from the internet, you have no rights whatsoever when it comes to that decision.

[(Anonymous)]

Having a copy of something isn't the same as distributing it or taking away a person's right to take down a fic.

[(Anonymous)]

Come back to me when you've learned something about IP law.

[(Anonymous)]

Come back to me when you can explain how I'm distributing the book that's sitting on my coffee table by owning that particular copy of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Copy =/= duplicating.

[(Anonymous)]

...right? Where did I say anything about duplicating products?

[(Anonymous)]

...reread the thread, maybe?

[(Anonymous)]

I have been talking the entire time about having a copy of something. I never said anything about distributing or duplicating something.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, you have been talking this entire time, haven't you.

...and you have a problem with the person who said that the idea of someone having a copy they COULD distribute made them uncomfortable.

[(Anonymous)]

That first line made me crack up, so there's that.

I COULD duplicate the book in front of me and distribute it. Or, to use an example of something it would be easier to do that with, I COULD duplicate some of the music files I have on my computer and distribute them. But the fact I could do those things doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to have books or buy music digitally.