[ SECRET POST #2961 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2961 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Alexander Siddig/Star Trek; Deep Space 9/Vertical Limit/Poirot/24]


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[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron]


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Notes:

Better early than late!

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 024 secrets from Secret Submission Post #423.
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I find it weir that to everyone here, slash = always butt!sex to everyone so far in the comments seemingly without question...seems odd to me. That's not all slash is, surely? Maybe in some fandoms...

Has anyone read this excellent blog post by a gay man who writes gay romance that doesn't always equal anal?

http://jamiefessenden.com/2013/01/13/even-in-gay-romance-love-does-not-always-have-to-equal-anal-sex/

(Please don't spam him. He's a nice person.)

[(Anonymous)]

*weird

Heh

[(Anonymous)]

The OP's secret was seemingly about slash writers who write butt!sex, hence the focus on it in the comments.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly.

Slash /= buttsex was not the topic here, although it's true.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, OP didn't say that, all they *said* was "slash writers", so it's actually more reasonable to raise AYRT's point than to assume.

[ninety6tears]

In certain fandoms if you write explicit slash with other kinds of sex you will get a lot of "great but I wish you actually had them do it" comments and it drives me crazy.

It bothers me in general how anal is thought of with this double standard in regards to whether it's men doing it; not in terms of how common it is, really, but it's like for straight people it's this adventurous/kinky/nasty thing but for gay guys it's just what they do? It just seems like a way people stigmatize gay sex as abnormal by default, but it's not a very nice attitude towards women who like it or guys who like anal stuff done to them by women either.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never been in a fandom like that yet, or had one of those comments, and I'm so glad. I've seen that kind of comment left on fics for other fandoms and it drives me crazy.

"Are they going to do it soon?" When the couple have already been having every other kind of sex for some time.

Some couples will never have anal sex. Some will try it and not like it.

It really annoys me when anal is held up as the quintessential gay act when, just by weight of numbers, most couples doing it are straight.

But then, I don't think this is a uniquely slash problem. Gay porn also elevates anal to the main event a lot of the time.

[(Anonymous)]

You think? I've noticed that gay porn is mostly oral. Oral oral everywhere. Maybe We're watching different porn, tho.

[(Anonymous)]

In seems like sex = penetration in general to people in fandom, honestly. Like, there's a fic in my fandom involving a het couple where they have so far done almost everything except intercourse. She's given him a handjob and a blow job; he's fingered her, given her oral, stuck a finger up her ass... They've gotten each other off a bunch of times, but the whole hook is that "they haven't actually had sex yet." People are all like "when are they actually gonna have sex?!?" And the author teasingly says "eventually, be patient! XD" And I'm over here like "THEY HAVE HAD SEX, YOU CHILDREN. THEY'VE BEEN HAVING IT CONSISTENTLY SINCE CHAPTER 2."

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I suspect a lot of these comments come from actual children who haven't yet realised that surprise, surprise, blow jobs and fingering also count as sex.

Unless we're really dealing with a world of Bill Clintons.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhhh I think it's a gray area. I was a "technical virgin" for a long time, like only blow jobs for me (I don't enjoy receiving oral), and the first guy I had penetrative sex with considered it unquestioned that he was "taking my virginity". I think especially with female virginity the hymen is put on a pedestal and everyone considers that and only that sex. And I'm not sure if I can 100% disagree, because the definition of the word is in its popular usage, right...?

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I would say that for gay men, anal as it is in practice is not that big a thing in general. Not that it isn't a big thing for a subset of gay men (as for a subset of straights), but there's not that much to recommend it over frottage, oral, and intercrural. How much prep time do you want a sex act to require?

But for young women trying to write some kind of "sex" between two men, an imaginary idea of some kind of penetration can pop up for obvious reasons.

Hence the self-lubing anus and other silliness.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention douching.

[tweedisgood]

Yes, THIS, thank you. And no, not everyone does think that.