[ SECRET POST #2967 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2967 ⌋

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Comments

[blitzwing]

How is FSOG doing anything that makes the romance label inaccurate? Romances have been (historically) chock full of skeevy male love interests, consent issues, and outright rape.

[I'm not arguing the case, I'm genuinely curious if there's something I'm missing here, re: romance genre.]

[(Anonymous)]

It's not that it's not romance, it's that its porn with romance

There are literally women on the news denying that it's fantasy porn at all and it's ~just a love story

Then can you blame other dumb people for asking if this is what all women secretly want, when you have all these actual women refusing to label their rape fantasy as rape fantasy because rape is love?

[blitzwing]

Then can you blame other dumb people for asking if this is what all women secretly want, when you have all these actual women refusing to label their rape fantasy as rape fantasy because rape is love?

Yes, I can blame them? Some people want their face shit on. Other people obviously don't. A few people's inability to accurately label their fantasies doesn't mean everyone does that.

Making generalizations "Oh some people are like this, so everyone is like this" is generally a pretty ignorant and worthless action.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not about people thinking all women are kinky, it's about people assuming women think this is ~just a love story romance because so many women on TV are saying it is and acting like ravishment fantasy has nothing to do with it at all

I have yet to hear anyone on mainstream media simply admit it's a ravishment fantasy and ask what the problem with ravishment fantasy is. There isn't one. But nobody is calling the fantasy the fantasy except in internet circles where everyone knew of it already

[blitzwing]

it's about people assuming women think this is ~just a love story romance because so many women on TV are saying it is and acting like ravishment fantasy has nothing to do with it at all

Maybe you're right anon. I think I've just internalized that "GENERALIZING IS THE DUMBEST THING IN THE WORLD DON'T EVER DO IT!!!" that I just forget how acceptable and common it is to most people. Blegh. [Not implying you, btw, just that not!generalizing seems to be the exception rather than the rule.]

I haven't really followed mainstream coverage of the book. While I support OP's enjoyment of the book, I don't like it myself and it rustles my jimmies to see it so popular. So I just try to avoid any mention of it.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

A large part of the problem, at least in the circles I travel in, is that 50 Shades isn't marketed as romance*. If it was shelved in with the rest of the dubious-to-ludicrously written erotica, it would catch a lot less flack. (It also probably wouldn't have ever become as popular as it has, because a lot of the women who are absolutely in love with the series are the same women who would never "lower themselves**" to reading erotica.)

However, it's shelved as non-genre fiction, not as romance, which lends it an air of legitimacy in the eyes of both the media and of a lot of readers that it really doesn't deserve. That's where a lot of the "oh, but it's just a love story" nonsense comes from - people take non-genre fiction seriously, where romance fiction is admittedly just fantasy wish-fulfillment that scratches an itch.

* I know the movie is marketed as romance to cash in on the Valentine market, but the books aren't.
** An actual quote from an acquaintance of mine.

[(Anonymous)]

Not just that, but E.L. James swears up and down that it's not erotica.

[diet_poison]

.......what?

seriously?

o__O

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, if her publisher's decided to market it as something other than erotica, she'd be expected to go along with that regardless of whether or not she privately acknowledges she's written porn.

[diet_poison]

Then allow me to redirect my o__O from the author to the publisher. Because really...

(though if she actually does "swear up and down" it sounds to me like she does have an issue with acknowledging what she wrote, regardless of what the publishers have said)