[ SECRET POST #2967 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2967 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.


__________________________________________________



02.


__________________________________________________



03.


__________________________________________________



04.


__________________________________________________



05.


__________________________________________________



06.


__________________________________________________



07.


__________________________________________________



08.


__________________________________________________



09.


__________________________________________________



10.














Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 034 secrets from Secret Submission Post #424.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets (also too big anyway) ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

The more defensive you get about your (fanfic) writing ability/talent, the harder I will work to point out your flaws and let you know that you're nowhere near hot shit. I'll only stop if I absolutely have to do something else (such as a major work project or leaving town to participate in a race).

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

That sounds exhausting.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

It doesn't get exhausting until about five days in. Otherwise, for four days in a row it makes me understand what a meth bender feels like without actually having to take meth. I feel way more energetic and don't need to sleep as much. After five days it starts to be a little tougher but still doable. I don't know what my max is before completely giving out, though.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Fives days in?

Fucking hell , get a life.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Get a life...let's see here. Here's a rundown of what happens in a typical week aside from talking to people online. I take pictures; write original fic; do research on media literacy/analytics; study up on GMOs; submit at least four job applications a day; go to the movies with my husband and friends; and hit the gym at least three times a week.

Anything else I should add in order to have a life?

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

It's just pretty pathetic that you feel the need to hound a person for by your own admission, DAYS because you think they're too defensive.

Honestly you seem pretty defensive yourself about pushing your opinion on people for...four days. Wow.

You sound obnoxious NGL

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Well, clearly that comment should say "get a job" instead.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

lmaoooo oh my god you don't do anything and you act like you're hot shit

this reads like someone writing a resume and adding shit like "good with animals" just for the word count

so yeah, still, get a fucking life, hahahaha

Re: DA

[caerbannog]

You should probably make time to eat food and sleep. Also showers or baths are generally considered important.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

I totally understand this, OP. I don't have the time or energy to do this, but if someone I personally dislike asks my opinion with the attitude that their fic is flawless and I won't be able to find a single apostrophe out of place... I go to fucking town on that fucker. I don't take any non-legal drugs, but I imagine that's what it feels like for some.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah really. And a waste of time.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

OP

It might be, but I find it actually keeps me from being an asshole or criminal offline. My counselor is aware of this, and she doesn't feel I need to put a stop to it. I've even shown her transcripts of the conversations. She gives me feedback on tones she sees in the conversations but does not push me toward a particular interpretation.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

If you need to hound people online to not be an asshole offline that's pretty sad and you should do something about that.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

and I don't mean continue harassing people. I mean figure out why you absolutely NEED to be an ass.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

OP

As I've mentioned, I talk to my counselor about this and have shown her transcripts of the conversations. So it's definitely up for discussion, but in her professional opinion it's an issue that's a little further down the priority list. We're working on some more complicated abuse-related issues dating back about 15 years. This could change when those issues are more thoroughly addressed.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[blitzwing]

criminal offline

So being a criminal online is alright with you and your therapist? Jesus, get a better therapist.

Your therapist shouldn't be encouraging you to bully and harass people.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

You are a troll.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[feotakahari]

Let me guess: if they're offended that you called them a retard, they're being "defensive."

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Actually, no. It's usually a case of the author flipping out if a cautionary tale is offered that shows what has happened to those who write and willingly disregard feedback. If I offer an example from my personal experience from when I thought I was hot shit and ignored crucial (and valid) criticisms, the author insists (s)he doesn't do that. This happens even if I avoid second person pronouns. That instant projection flips a switch where I'm more more motivated to dissect something in the most thorough way imaginable.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[feotakahari]

Maybe they are listening, and your advice just sucks.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Okay. In that case, what do you think of this?

have a roommate who had a similar problem, and I'm going to tell you what I would tell her if I wouldn't have had to put up with her reaction because she is a snotty five-year-old in an aging otaku's body:

You're not that good, you're not that talented, and the fact that you think you deserve to be more popular than lesser writers is going to reflect in what you write. People do not respond to that attitude, even if they can't put their finger on it.

It doesn't matter if all your grammar and spelling is perfect, it doesn't matter if you follow a three-act structure, it doesn't matter if you use gorgeous imagery and diction. All of that stuff is technical, functional, basic-foundation bullshit, it is scaffolding, not a story, and being more proficient with building a foundation does not make you better than your peers (and yes, other fanfic writers are your peers, even if you look down your nose at them.) If there's nothing for the reader to connect to, you might as well be writing a textbook. And if people aren't giving you feedback, they aren't connecting to your work. The problem is you, not everyone else.

My roommate's problem is that she writes elaborate, well-structured vignettes about characters that no one cares about in situations no one could relate to where nothing happens and there's no plot, unless it's a long-winded multi-chapter thing about characters no one even knows about except for smug hipsters who wouldn't read her bullshit anyway. All her stories boil down to "one character sits around by himself having an inner monologue". Pretty and competently written, but lacking substance, lacking real character. (My roommate also has no soul and understands human feelings the way a lesbian prostitute understands how to pleasure a man: sure, she knows how the parts are supposed to work, but she has no interest in pretending to be interested in them unless you pay her)

If you want attention from an audience, you have to write for that audience. If you really want to improve your writing and get attention from the masses, go looking for fic recs in your fandom and look up the ones that have HIGH numbers of comments and views. Or go to Archive Of Our Own and filter for the ones with the most reviews and kudos. I guarantee you, those ones are going to be better than yours. Learn from them.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[blitzwing]

Or go to Archive Of Our Own and filter for the ones with the most reviews and kudos.

Well, *you* have clearly never been on the Archive of Our Own I take it...

(My roommate also has no soul and understands human feelings the way a lesbian prostitute understands how to pleasure a man: sure, she knows how the parts are supposed to work, but she has no interest in pretending to be interested in them unless you pay her)

I have a pretty high tolerance for shittiness and un-PC behavior and even I think you sound like a shit human being with that tasteless and dehumanizing analogy. Frankly, if that was all I had seen of you, I wouldn't want to be around you, and I wouldn't be inclined to take advice on writing from you.

Basically you haven't given any advice, you've just tl;dr'd "Wah Wah look how clever I am and you're not as great as you think, you have no talent". You come across as someone just looking to jack off your own ego at someone else's expense. Which is probably what you ARE doing from the way you've described its impact on your emotions and life.

Good advice gives someone something to build on, it doesn't just tear them down. Congratulations: You're not that good and not that talented at giving writing advice. In fact, I haven't seen one redeeming quality or useful nugget of advice in that entire wall of text.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[feotakahari]

In other words, you hate the kind of stories she writes, so she should write the kinds of stories you like. Your justification is that she writes in an unpopular genre and you like popular genres, because obviously art is determined by popular vote. No attempt at all to advise how to write better in her genre, because apparently self-contemplation and internal monogue are boring bullshit. And you pull this crap for FIVE. DAYS.

(Seriously, I'm almost tempted to call troll for recommending that she look at stories with tons of kudos on AO3. Those tend to be the stories that are so bland and generic that lots of people enjoy them, but few people really care about them or remember them long.)

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

Has anyone told you that just because you review or give an opinion doesn't mean people have to take your advice or they're bad writers. Quit being so entitled.

In my experience every person who forces their opinion on a writer and insists that they need to listen to them has turned out to be a dumbass or full of shit.

You're no exception. Please, for the love of God, stop making excuses for yourself and grow up. The dedication you have to shoving your opinion on people is honestly quite creepy.

Re: Grinchy, judgmental secrets

[(Anonymous)]

So you're a bully.

lovely.