[ SECRET POST #2971 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2971 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, IME anime is actually way more likely to go there in terms of having same-sex attraction be canon than Western media is. I can think of far more anime where a character is confirmed to be gay/lesbian/bi than I can Western shows that aren't shows with the token gay stereotype character for comedy purposes.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's more like this.

Anime: *characters of the same gender touch, say they love each other, kiss, make out, have sex*
Writers: But they just love each other, they're not gay.

Western media: *[character]'s sexual orientation is never brought up in any way through the whole thing from start to finish*
Writers: [character] is gay, by the way.

[diet_poison]

lmao

...kinda true tho

[lb_lee]

It's funny because it's horribly true, from what little I've seen.

--Rogan

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, this is dead accurate.

Anime very rarely has "canon gay" - and often when it does, it gets mixed into transgenderism, and is usually played off as hilarious and campy.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, it's more like

Anime: *characters of the same gender touch, say they love each other, kiss, make out, have sex* They are never confirmed as gay or straight.

Anime is all about ambiguous queer relationships. That way they don't alienate straight guys but at the same time they give girls material to fantasize about the characters.

[(Anonymous)]

This. For a perfect example, look at Tiger & Bunny. The show's creators explicitly said that you can read the relationship between the two male leads as being platonic or romantic, whichever you prefer, and that both options are equally valid.

It's not queerbaiting to leave something open to interpretation without confirming it either way.

[(Anonymous)]

No, they said the two would have fallen in love at first sight if one of them had been a woman.

[(Anonymous)]

No, they also said that you could interpret their relationship how you want. It's in one of the many interviews that's been translated.

[(Anonymous)]

That's no exclusive for queer relationships though. Japan likes ambiguousness in everything.

[(Anonymous)]

Even BL or GL stuff often avoids saying "gay". Seems like it's mostly circumstantial same-sex attraction without necessarily indicating a non-straight sexuality. I'm not saying the characters are definitely straight, but I'd only rarely read BL/GL stuff where the characters clearly identify as gay.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a cultural thing, actually. Japan has this weird thing where it's okay to be gay and even talk about your same-sex partner, but you can't call yourself gay without facing major backlash.

You can be as gay as you want, you're just not supposed to identify that way, in other words.

[(Anonymous)]

Because gayness is something you do for fun, not who you are. If you don't call yourself gay, people will assume it's just your hobby while you're still waiting to meet the opposite-sex partner who you'll eventually marry.

[(Anonymous)]

orrrrrr not every culture worldwide has to ascribe to the dictum of the Holy Church of Liberalism which states that there is only one way to be attracted to a member of the same sex and that way is to announce yourself as gay and shack up with a member of the same sex.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, modern Western "heterosexuality" was basically invented in Austria in 1900, or something. It's not a universal standard.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
It's true. The hetero/homo dichotomy is just one, and nobody says it has to be the right or only one.

[(Anonymous)]

It is as cultural as homophobia is, I suppose. There is a growing gay community in Japan, and certainly understanding of the concept. But no, it is not "okay" to be gay, at least not okay for most people to know from your in-group - family, company you work for, so on. If you tell a stranger you're gay, depending, they might not scream at you, no. But it's very different for most people's situations with people they know. Very few people are "out".

[(Anonymous)]

From what I've seen, people are likely to be out to their friends but not at work. I think many Japanese people are pretty tight-lipped about their private life at work, though, moreso than in the West. And a lot of things can put you in hot water at work in Japan... anything that might reflect badly on your workplace's image from having a tattoo to the fact that you smoked pot once as a teenager. So staying in the closet is playing it safe at work. But I haven't met a lot of people who are personally judgmental towards gays. They might make the assumption that gay = transgender, but that's about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Having worked for a Japanese company, I can attest to this. You really don't talk about your private life at work at all; they're essentially two completely separate spheres for the reason you mentioned. I mean, when someone went on a vacation, the most that ever would get asked when they got back pretty much boiled down to "Did you have a nice trip? Okay, good."

[(Anonymous)]

DA

This.

The Japanese don't even like saying "yes" or "no" directly when it comes to corporate business deals, because either one comes across as too aggressive and potentially offensive. Certainty is seen as an ettiquette faux pas in Japan. Politeness involves being as indirect as possible and relying on cultural cues to get the message across.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly! Expecting Japanese media to be devoid of indirects and ambiguousness when even in business being direct is considered impolite is a proof many people don't really know much about Japanese culture.