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women can be misogynistic or benefit from misogynistic systems. sometimes they don't know it. sometimes it's just baked in.

YES. Women CAN be.

Hoof prints CAN belong to Zebras.

It's just not the most common thing.

rilly.

how many girls are raised to be in competition with other girls, leading to high school drama? how often does media/our behavior normalize this as a 'thing'?

how many girls are taught to tear each other down to build themselves up? you want a trope example older than TV, we can go back to french lit - les liasions dangerouses is about how this weaponized femininity is the only way to carve a place among men, and can be taken away easily.

it's so fucking common its background noise.

women are commodified.

sell each other, sell yourselves. it's the only value you have.

it's told over and over and over again.

NORMALIZED COMMODIFIED WEAPONIZED FEMININITY all I hear is buzzz buzzzz buzzzzzzzzzz

While I mostly agree with your general principle, not totally sure about your examples here. Just because I feel like most teenage drama can be explained as teens being teens, and likewise, people being dicks can be explained by some people just being dicks. I'm not sure how much of that you can put on patriarchy.

wouldn't go so far as going OMG THE MENZ because men get shit from this sort of mindset if in diff ways, just sayin' that certain types of bullshit become standardized and it's a nasty, difficult process to try and untangle that.

How many guys are raised to be in competition with other guys leading to violence and bullying? How often does everywhere PRAISE this thing?

How many girls are taught that men are violent dangerous animals? that will harm you irreparably if you allow them to?

How many guys are taught that women are snakes with tits who only value you as a utility, and the only way to be a real man is not not let them control by trapping you into a relationship? and how much media seems to bear this out?

I don't mean to get all MRA up in here, but people particularly young people being shitty to people of all types is just a thing that happens. This does not mean that people hate people because of their genders, People do not like, by and large, anyone who is not of some personal value to them. Their perceived values do seem to change depending on gender, but this dislike, disinclination to be kind, is not hatred and is not unique to women.

And I do not think a woman who is in a job where they are required to ask about the fashion side of another woman job is doing it because of hatred or even dislike. I think to assume that is to show the start of a shocking persecution complex.

Yes! All women are poor little mindless puppets, trained by the evil patriarchy to be mean to one another. Those poor, innocent creatures are so silly they don't even realise that they are all steered by evil men. It cannot possibly be because some of them are simply fucking assholes.

That is a god damn nice strawman you built there. I mean, it's got the button eyes and everything.

Nah, I have a tinman. The strawman is all yours.

A culture has no impact at all on the people living in it! We are never influenced by anything except our own thoughts and personalities, which are never ever shaped by other people or by the values we're taught as we're growing up! There is no society or community, there is only the individual, and we are all perfect islands unto ourselves!

Why yes of course! It's all society's fault! It's really great to be able to say women are never actually responsible for any shit they do! The patriarchy made them do it! Little darling women, unable to ever overcome male society's conditioning! So sad.

Why do people always say "baked in" when they're talking about internalized misogyny, so much more than any other time? Equating women with baking is misogynistic, but nobody who says it seems to know they're being misogynistic... it's just so baked in.

because it's a standard term and you're noticing it due to 'the bus is at the corner.'

shit, son, most major chefs are men. professional cooking is a seriously dudely industry.

but that aside - what the fuck is wrong with cooking? food is fuckin' amazing.

It's... really not a standard term. At all.

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