[ SECRET POST #2976 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2976 ⌋

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[Homestuck]


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[NCIS: Los Angeles/Hawaii Five-0]


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[Left Shark (Katy Perry? Super Bowl?) and Bad-Dragon .com]


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Comments

[sarillia]

I don't agree that these characters need to be immersive POVs. Obviously they should be a lot of the time, but what they need to be is just like every other category of people. They need to be all different characters, from narrators to minor characters, from heroes to villains, from perfect saints to irredeemable assholes, and everything in between.

[(Anonymous)]

+ A lot.

[grausam]

I guess it's true that they don't need to be to be good representation.

But if that identity is not visibly part of their POV or actions, it's no selling point to me if they're black or bi etc.
Some reviews that try to hype a movie or game sorely because they have characters who are [adjectives] don't make me care.

At best it shows that the author might have given it more thought.

[sarillia]

I definitely agree that it needs to be a visible part of their character. I don't count Dumbledore as gay representation at all, for example, but I think it's possible to have a character who is even less important to a story than him and make it clear that they have the identity they do.

I just know a lot of people who have very all or nothing attitudes and it frustrates me a lot that they act like progress needs to be perfect in order to count as progress. Would I prefer a gay main character to a gay relative of the main character's friend? Sure. But that second one is still more than I expect from most stories.

[grausam]

oh, true.

I'm mainly getting miffed re HP backslash (aside from being a biased fan) because Rowling actually improved and widened the representation in the books after the Harry Potter series, however stuffy she still handles it sometimes.

I appreciate that.

[sarillia]

I do appreciate the details she's given about the world and the characters since the books ended. I wouldn't point to the books as the sort of thing I want to see when I talk about representation, but I still appreciate that she even decided that a prominent character was gay. That's part of the battle right there, to get writers to stop immediately defaulting to having every single character be straight (or whatever identity we're talking about) and consider some other options occasionally.

[grausam]

argh I meant Casual Vacancy and the Cormoran Strike books with representation in the books "afterwards" (not sure if that was clear in my comment).

I read e.g "gardens of the sun"- while it was refreshingly global and diverse with different ethnicities and political groups among these, it listed generations of characters... without a single character who wasn't strictly, explicitly hetero. That's just unbelievable world building to an offensive degree. /ot vent.