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fandomsecrets2015-03-02 06:56 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2015-03-02 06:56 pm
[ SECRET POST #2980 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2980 ⌋
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Notes:
Lots of multiple secrets in one comment this week, throwing off the count!
Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 083 secrets from Secret Submission Post #426.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: da
Well I did say in my reply that just because something is in the seinen category doesn't mean the writer goes into it going "this is FOR BOYS"? So that's kind of what I mean? Seinen ends up being almost a catch all for things that don't fit neatly in another category. Pretty much any anime that is meant to appeal to both adult males and adult females (Madoka, Tutu, etc.) is shoved under seinen. This is why it bugs me when magical girl fans act like a work is inferior or is 'otaku fap fodder' just because it's shoved under the seinen umbrella.
Companies are aware of female otaku, but unless a show is explicitly shoujo or josei, merchandise or marketing for it starts out as male aimed or at the very least unisex most of the time (and shoujo and josei shows rarely get much merch period). Marketing toward otaku is still very male slanted, and only in recent years have they really, really started creating a lot of stuff uniquely for the female marketplace (i.e. figures for shows popular among fujoshi, jewelry, fashionable clothes, etc.).
Re: da
(Anonymous) 2015-03-03 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)Going, going by that logic, Utena is even less Seinen. Not much merch, most of it for women. There you go.
Also, I've been to Tokyo around 2004, and merch in animate-shops, at least, was already pretty girly.
(plus the whole "it's only for girls if it's for fujoshi or jewelry" really doesn't sit well with me. Yeah, that's the only thing "exclusively feminine", bacause the things boys or men would wear/want to own just aren't as limited as in europe or the US (srsly what guy would wear a keychain of a pink pokemon in the US and not either be gay or of a subculture thats about subverting masculinity)
But that just means there's a broader "mainstream" with smaller border areas. That includes the idea that the only thing "only for boys" is weapons and tits.)
Re: da
plus the whole "it's only for girls if it's for fujoshi or jewelry" really doesn't sit well with me.
Um I said- or at the very least unisex most of the time and uniquely for the female marketplace
Stuff marketed exclusively to girls merchandise wise does tend to be what I mentioned. I would think that the usage of 'unisex' implies that girls do also buy products not marketed exclusively toward women because of course they do.
Re: da
(Anonymous) 2015-03-04 03:22 am (UTC)(link)