[ SECRET POST #2983 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2983 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Cold Case]


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[Pedro Almodovar]


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[Highlander]


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[The Adventures of Dr McNinja]


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[Free!/Love Stage!! (I think)]


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[Outlander]


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[One Outs]


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[Babylon 5]


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[Alanis Morisette]


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[Avon, Blake's 7]


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[One Outs]


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[Star Trek DS9]


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[Fables]


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[Lady Gaga]


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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Whether I agree or not with what they're saying, I'd stop reading because they so blatantly took a side at all.

[(Anonymous)]

...because characters (or creators--and let's not conflate the two) aren't allowed to have opinions?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh no for sure they are. Thing is, it's one thing for a character to have an opinion and another for the writer to morph the world so that the character's opinions are shown as Righteous and Correct and Noble

Can you have a character be like, super idfk Catholic or and crediting God for all his heroic achievements ofc you can but if your story warps itself so that this is Righteous and Correct and Noble then it reads like a sermon and I'm dropping the book, you dig

[(Anonymous)]

I am wholly not familiar with this comic, so I don't know if that's what is happening here. The character appears to be stating an opinion, not warping his world to fit his views.

[(Anonymous)]

It is

He describes himself as "rabidly pro-Israel" and says that Fables "was intended from the beginning" as a metaphor for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, although he argues that Fables is not "a political tract. It never will be, but at the same time, it's not going to shy away from the fact that there are characters who have real moral and ethical centers, and we're not going to apologize for it."[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Willingham#As_writer

[(Anonymous)]

I remember I read a science fiction book where it turned out that God provably scientifically existed

and it was supposed to be a weighty meditation on the existence of God

and I was like NO IF GOD PROVABLY EXISTS THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT

it was very frustrating

[feotakahari]

I had a co-writer once who went that direction. I asked her to help me because I wasn't sure I could write a character with absolute faith in something she couldn't prove. She was very insightful and had a remarkably similar personality and style of speech to the character, but she wanted the character to believe based on proven experiences of contact with the divine. I felt like my story was being ripped out from under me. (We eventually split because we couldn't make it work.)

[(Anonymous)]

Well, about half the absolute faith religious types I know really do think there is proof, regardless of whether an outsider would consider their perspective to meet the standard of actual proof. Maybe that;s what she was going for.

[othellia]

Eesh. Good choice.

wow

[(Anonymous)]

(look of horror)

. . .

Was it my mom

Re: wow

[feotakahari]

I feel like I've given some impression that this writer is a fanatic, and I want to correct that. She's the most insightful person I've ever talked to, and she would make one hell of a philosopher if she hadn't taken to fiction instead. She's just . . . difficult to talk to sometimes, because she's so wise, and because it be hard to get on her wavelength and think the same way she thinks. I don't think she means to put up a wall, but if you don't agree with her, it can be hard to explain why.

[elialshadowpine]

Oh man. I have broken up with some CPs because of what you describe -- the CP trying to change the direction/tone/plot/characters/worldbuilding/etc of my story to what they would do with it. I was like, jeez, just take the basic idea and write your own story, it'll be completely different from mine, I don't care. Just stop trying to make me write the story that you want, FFS.

I had a similar experience with my ex-fiance, who was honestly... a lot of the issue was that he was being mentored by a published author who was telling him all sorts of fucked-up shit that he believed because, well, she was published. Like stories centering around men won't sell (uh, what?), nobody wants to read about non-human characters because readers won't identify with anything non-human (like robots, for instance; evidently she never heard of Asimov /snark), and she just tore him and his story ideas apart to the point that he was in such a bad writer's block about his own work that he was sub-consciously trying to get other people to write what he wanted, because he was convinced that he couldn't. When we eventually talked about things, after we'd gotten over the pain from how messily the relationship ended, and I brought that up, he was horrified and apologized. We now CP for each other, and support each other in what we both want to write, but man. What a clusterfuck. You have my sympathies.

[sarillia]

I accidentally did that myself a couple times. I keep wanting to write new stories with the themes that made me want to write the originals and keep it ambiguous. It just happened both times that the way the story worked out, the less ambiguous option made more sense. They were fun to write but I knew right away that it would be really frustrating for a lot of people to read so no one else is ever looking at them.