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[fscom]

09. http://i.imgur.com/c1eLqrn.jpg

[manzana]

Oh, the draaama!

(I've lost respect for artists who did this too, in particular if they went out of their way to claim the art as completely theirs and denied that it was tracing, or tried to make up reasons for why it was okay and the original artists shouldn't complain about their stolen art. Oh, bonus negative points if they sold the traced art.)

[(Anonymous)]

If they're trying to claim all the credit you should call them on their shit, unless they have rabid fans you're worried about.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree people should be more open about it too, I think the problem is they're afraid of getting shit from other fans because whenever this type of thing happens, drama definitely follows.

And re: the selling traced art, people do it all the time. If you make it enough of your own drawing, there's not much people can do about it. There are actually a lot of comic artists who trace regularly.

It's a shakey line, I prefer not to trace myself but I don't know if I can completely dismiss people that do.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I lost respect for that one SPN artist when she admitted that most of her art is just fancy manips/

[(Anonymous)]

What SPN artist was it? There are a few that I think might trace, but I don't want to form incorrect conclusions.

[(Anonymous)]

This is like the worst. I kind of understand it, anatomy is the hardest thing a person can learn and it can take a loong time of practice. But tracing is an extremely cheap crutch that doesn't make the artist develop their actual skills and advance their confidence in pushing forward.
Of course it looks good and better in an instant but it's not original and trutful to being an artist. And with that push the other artists that work their butts off from the start out of the spotlight.

/rant

[(Anonymous)]

If they're open about the tracing and don't charge money for it, I have no problem with that. Even experienced artists use reference, and inexperienced artists don't know how to do it well.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, pretty much. Not admitting to it or getting paid for it is one thing, but otherwise it's fine.

I think the you should never ever trace/reference mentally and everything needs to be from your mind I sometimes see in art communities hold back a lot of artists.

[(Anonymous)]

Tracing is different from using a reference, though. I wouldn't call someone who only traces an artist, since it doesn't take any skill at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you mean they trace other peoples work or they use porn and a lighbox? Because uh you realize light boxes are ENCOURAGED AND A VALUABLE TOOL for artists? That fucking shit tons of artists you cream your pants over use light boxes. You probably have idea what the fuck you are talking about.

[(Anonymous)]

If you're the same anon who called me a "fucking idiot" upthread, which I'm thinking you are from all the OTT hostility (LOLOLOL), it's good to know that yup, you were using a different meaning of the word.

Calm the fuck down, and maybe get some ointment for that chapped ass of yours.

[(Anonymous)]

Calm down, you're making our side look bad.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never seen what's so bad about tracing. Another art school graduate here.

I've been accused of tracing myself when I was about 8 years old, although the person who accused me was an idiot. It was physically impossible, given the different sizes of the original and my work.

But I also didn't see why it would have been such a crime, as long as you then go on to make it your own. Yet the person acted like I was cheating or something and they were triumphant to have found me out.

I think tracing is one of those "crimes" that it's mostly non-artists that get upset about. Andy Warhol traced. So did many classic artists.

The literal meaning of "cartoon" means to trace the art through a pricked paper onto the canvas or wall.

Big deal.

[(Anonymous)]

So many defensive tracers in this thread.

It is cheap, it does mean you suck. Face it.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. Tracing is NOT like using references. And sure, tracing MIGHT be a learning tool, but it isn't something you should POST as your own art.

When I was first starting, I would re-draw fan art that other artists did. It was an amazing learning tool, but even as a newbie, I knew that I could never post it. Cheaters gonna cheat!

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. Pretty much.

[(Anonymous)]

I used to really have a huge issue with tracing but considering Matte Painting is a legitimate art and there are actually a lot of professionals that trace, I've let it go some.

This is why I personally draw very stylized though. People who draw realistically often do end up tracing or doing matte paintings because it can be difficult to get beautiful realism done in a quick manner (and the art industry is all about quick.) I prefer using my imagination a bit more then that so I stay away from Matte Painting for the most part.

For the record you still need skills to trace and/or do a matte painting effectively. People who don't know the rules of painting and illustration typically come up with horrible traces.

[otakugal15]

The only traced porny art I like is the gifs. That shit can be hard, especially if you don't have a lot of training in animation.

[(Anonymous)]

I've run across so many people in fandom who trace. It's annoying. Referencing is one thing, but to pretty much take a picture and a pose and draw your OTP's face on it is just shitty.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd love to know who this is about. I know about some artists who trace but they're in smaller fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

are they tracing other art/fanart or are they tracing from live action reference?

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[(Anonymous)]

Image: arty black and white pictures of tangled legs on a bed

Text: Now that I’ve discovered you trace your porny fan art, I’ve lost respect for you.

I also hate that other artists get less attention than you.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes I trace when I see a pose that inspires me, sometimes I draw from scratch.
Usually the end result is barely recognizable from the original art because it actually takes some minimal drawing skill to adapt the initial character figure to that of the character you're aiming for, and draw the right face.

The only thing I care about is that it looks as good as possible in the end so I have more pretty fan-art of my fave characters to look at.
Sharing it with other fans who would enjoy it too is a bonus.
And I don't intend to become a professional or make money out of it.

I do get the hatred if the artist claims loud and clear that it's entirely their work and they're omg so talented. But on the other hand I won't say too loud how the works was done precisely because tracing seems to be the worst sin for some.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's a big deal, personally. There's a lot more to art than outlines so I'm completely indifferent to whether an artist traced as a start or not.