[ SECRET POST #2991 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2991 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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03.
(Keeping Up Appearances)


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(Steven Universe)


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06. http://i.imgur.com/j3CivJT.jpg
[linked for porn (illustrated/pixelated) ]


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[Brian Blessed]


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08. [ SPOILERS for Grimm and Elementary ]



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09. [ SPOILERS for Project Zero/Fatal Frame 2: Crimson Butterfly ]



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10. [ SPOILERS for Transformers: More than Meets the Eye ]



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11. [ WARNING for abuse, rape ]



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12. [ WARNING for rape, abuse ]



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13. [ WARNING for suicide ]



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14. [ WARNING for noncon, slavery ]



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15. [ WARNING for abuse ]

[One Piece]


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16. [ WARNING for suicide ]














Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #427.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[type_wild]

I'm pretty sure that Dee's method of courtship is classified sexual harassment.

Also: I could write you a book on the ways in which Gravitation is either a) problematic or b) bad, but at least it was entertaining. Fake got old after the first book, and its only redeeming quality was JJ.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree.

[type_wild]

Yeah, and the rest of the internet too. Trust me, I know *g*

[(Anonymous)]

Then maybe you shouldn't state your opinion as fact.

[(Anonymous)]

lol what's your problem?

[(Anonymous)]

Going anon now really isn't helping.

[(Anonymous)]

if it makes you feel better to think that's what's going on...

[type_wild]

From the POV of a westerner reading both comics without any real knowledge about the genre to which they belong, I'm inclined to argue that they both suck, but at different points.

Gravi: might be parody by doesn't come across as such. Questionable content re. sexual consent at times (okay, two times), incredibly inconsistent artwork and writing.

Fake: tries at genre but does an incredibly bad job at it. Portrays sexual harassment as romantic, messy artwork.

I really wanted to like Fake, but I got fed up with its bad attempts at doing detective fiction. Gravitation was funny and no, it doesn't take a lot to make me laugh.

[(Anonymous)]

Is there any not rapey BL?

[(Anonymous)]

Haru wo Daiteita is a manga about two porn stars who fall in love (and also become real actors), and their relationship isn't at all rapey.

Unfortunately their is a side couple that is uber creepy (writer dude with his underage cousin) but luckily they aren't in the majority of it that I've read, and I just started skipping all the bits they were in. And how very consensual the main couple was made up for it for me.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought 50x50 might count but then I remembered that no one has sober sex in it.

[(Anonymous)]

Lots of them.

[(Anonymous)]

When you remember the actual context in which BL is written -- i.e. by women in a society where gender inequality is still massive, especially when it comes to concepts like women's sexuality and the expression thereof -- then the amount of power imbalance inherent in BL makes more sense.

I'm hardly defending it, but a lot of the "omg so much rape in yaoi!" criticism comes from an understanding of western rape culture, and the culture/societal norms that form the background to these works operate on a different (but equally sucky) level. If anything, it's a power/submission fantasy from a female perspective, manifesting through the lens of a highly male-dominated culture.

[(Anonymous)]

Because Western culture is so gender-balanced and non-rapey?

I know there's a greater imbalance in Japan, but this is the same defense lots of women make about non-con/rape in slash (and female-on-male rape in het) and adding a BUT DIFFERENT CULTURES! tint to it doesn't magically make it better.

Though personally I'm fine with it in any context since I'm of the "as long as no real people were harmed, you do you" stance.

[(Anonymous)]

"...comes from an understanding of western rape culture, and the culture/societal norms that form the background to these works operate on a different (but equally sucky) level."

Where did I say it was any better?

There is still far more of a culture of tolerance of and shame about not only rape but about women expressing any interest in sex or sexuality at all in Japan (where a woman taking an active role in sex makes most Japanese men feel either highly uncomfortable, or as though they're in a gay relationship because only men are supposed to be 'active' during sex, women are meant to be completely passive -- I think the phrase is/was translated as something like "(the woman) lies there like a tuna." i.e. does not contribute much to the proceedings). For all their many faults, how many Western men do you know who'd feel that way if their female partner took some initiative during sex?

I never once said that gender imbalance or rape culture doesn't exist in the West, but there is most certainly a more progressive attitude when compared to the cultural norms that still exist in Japan. Western women leaving the workplace (permanently) as soon as they have a child is viewed in a wholly different context in the West. In Japan it's what's expected of a woman, it's still intensely frowned upon to put career before family duty. On that societal score, they're where we were decades ago, and that's the background these women are writing their works against.

[(Anonymous)]

IT'S THEIR CULTURE SO IT'S OKAY is gross

[(Anonymous)]

Please point out where I ever said it was okay.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. Unfortunately, none immediately come to mind.

[(Anonymous)]

Anything written by Yamamoto Kotetsuko (especially Honto Yajuu and Omairi Desu Yo and Konya mo Nemurenai, though Konya has a sexual assault scene in the very first chapter [against one of the MCs] so be careful of any scenes of (attempted) rape skeeve you out), main pairing in Bukiyou na Silent, Rutta to Kodama, Elektel Delusion, Otokogokoro

To begin with, at least.

There's lots of not rapey BL. You just have to look hard.

[(Anonymous)]

Ichigenme...The First Class is Civil Law is totally worth it, if you're really interested in the answer. Also, penises that actually look like penises.

[(Anonymous)]

Try Spell by Fujiyama Hyouta. Most of get stuff is totally consensual slow build stuff (don't go for Junjou or her fantasy series). I think Memory of Future is totally consensual. It has the rare assertive uke. Sangen Tonari something something by Tsuta Suzuki is consensual (there's a scene where the seme pushes the uke down but it's more of a clumsy vision come on than anything else). There are actually tons of consensual BL titles. Most of the really famous ones aren't though and they give the rest of the genre a bad name.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry not sorry but you've got some bad taste there. JJ was annoying as hell. Keets piss me off. And Fake was awesome.