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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-03-25 06:48 pm

[ SECRET POST #3003 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3003 ⌋

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Re: Safe spaces

[personal profile] praetorian_guard 2015-03-25 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, Hampshire. The baby brother of the Five Colleges is something else.

Regarding the article's content:
I understand the need students feel for safe spaces. Offering them is not something I object to, and no one ought to go to an event they feel would be harmful to them. I find many people who argue for them are people who have been harmed previously. But they should be used sparingly. Oftentimes a frank debate would accomplish much more. Yes, the 'real world' doesn't always announce when it decides to be objectionable.

On the other hand, college kids (of which I am). Let us take it up with our administrations. Part of me doesn't feel it's the business of outside influences to tell colleges what they should and shouldn't do. Most people know they will not be catered to, so college offers them a chance to have a community built around their needs. If that involves cute puppy videos, well. Let 'em have four years of fun, right?
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Re: Safe spaces

[personal profile] dancing_clown 2015-03-25 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the point is, what happens when those four years are over and young adults who have spent their college years hiding from scary thoughts and opinions are thrust out into a world that DOESN'T have a special room with puppy videos and cookies?

College is supposed to prepare you for the world and teach people to respond intelligently to things they find objectionable. Allowing them instead to hide from thought helps no one.
praetorian_guard: Achilles binding Patroclus' wound. (Default)

Re: Safe spaces

[personal profile] praetorian_guard 2015-03-25 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's funny you'd mention that. I think with larger universities opposing opinions are going to come up a lot more often, but I go to a small school and most of us pretty much have the same viewpoint. It can get a bit like - you know when people with the same opinion get together, and in the end they come out with more radical version of that opinion because their thoughts got confirmed? It's a bit like that. So it's hard for me to really see opinions that, even a little, oppose mine.

And part of me thinks you can structure your own view of the world the way you like it. Gather your little group of friends, only hang out in certain spaces - it's not the best way to go through life. But it's still a way. And if people really think that they cannot respond for some reason, maybe the only way. In my experience, college mostly amplifies personalities. If you were previously inclined to talk things out, you'll still do that.

Mm. It's a hard discussion, at least for me.

Re: Safe spaces

(Anonymous) 2015-03-26 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
From my experience, college is not like the real world at all, safe spaces or no. Lol.
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Re: Safe spaces

[personal profile] dancing_clown 2015-03-26 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Did I say it was? (No, no I did not.)

Re: Safe spaces

(Anonymous) 2015-03-26 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
"College is supposed to prepare you for the world"

This is debatable.
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Re: Safe spaces

[personal profile] dancing_clown 2015-03-26 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, much like a cooking class prepares one to make a meal but is in reality nothing like the average kitchen, let alone a professional kitchen. But it teaches skills that make dealing with real-world kitchens easier.

Unless you spend the whole class shrinking from spattering grease.

Re: Safe spaces

(Anonymous) 2015-03-26 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
This X10000000 college used to teach students how to think for themselves, so they could challenge the things that were wrong in the world, and change them for the better. Not how to hide in a nice room with cookies and playdough if you hear a word you don't like.

Re: Safe spaces

(Anonymous) 2015-03-26 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
used to teach students how to think for themselves

"used to"? Is that somehow a thing that only happened in the past?

Re: Safe spaces

(Anonymous) 2015-03-26 07:27 am (UTC)(link)
This. Part of being in the real world means realizing that there are no safe spaces, you just have to learn to deal with shit when you encounter it.

Re: Safe spaces

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2015-03-26 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, contrary to the link-baity NYT piece, safe spaces and warnings are not about hiding. They're about giving people choices in how to engage with those topics. Being forewarned allows us to tackle those things at our own speed and from our own direction. Some days I'm up for tackling a subject like anti-LGBT sexual assault, sometimes I need to put it on a read-later list because I need to focus on art history.
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Re: Safe spaces

[personal profile] dancing_clown 2015-03-26 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Just curious, why do you consider that link-bait? Or are we defining "link-bait" differently? Because I see bait as like those "You'll never guess what this mom did to save her kid!" or "A cat was stuck outside, and it's amazing how it got back inside!" Upworthy type posts.

This, is just...the common courtesy of not posting an entire work of somebody else's in a comment but still wanting to discuss said work.