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I don't think capitalism works. It's a fine theory but in practice all we've ended up doing is screwing over large portions of our population.

Like the United States is going to eventually need to have a revolution to get rid of all of our laws that protect the rich and screw over the poor. We are losing out middle class because all the money is going to the super rich, I don't understand why more people aren't tired of this.

I agree. But I'd go further. I think that capitalism, even in theory, inherently involves and creates class distinctions and encourages taking advantage of the poor.

I'm a democratic socialist. I believe in democracy, but as an economic system I'm mostly socialist. I actually think capitalism and democracy ultimately can't be reconciled.

Sometimes I feel like I should move to Europe, but then I think that as much as I hate so much of the American system and nearly all of American politics, I can at least help some people.

I actually would move if I could find a stable job elsewhere, I'm mostly just afraid that it wouldn't work out and I'd have to come back and be in an even worse situation money wise (I've had that happen to friends after working abroad.)

I think a big issue is that people don't see how much the system is keeping them right where they are. They buy into the "American Dream" where ANYONE can be rich and if you're not then you just don't work hard enough.

I also just can't deal with a country where so many people are against giving everyone health care. Like the mental loops people go through to essentially say they don't care if poor people die.

Yup. I agree. I'm willing to agree to disagree with people on a lot of things, but I find the idea of anyone not seeing health care as a basic human right morally repugnant.

The reason most people aren't tired of capitalism (aside from buying the American Dream hooey) is because they've been taught to blame poor people for the problems instead. Don't have enough money? It's because the government took all of it and gave it to poor people who are *obviously* just lazy and drinking it all away and buying iPhones with it. It can't possibly be because corporations and the extraordinarily wealthy have found loopholes to protect their wealth and are the ones not only refusing to give you a living wage, but informing the tax code so that their tax burden is lesser than yours. That scenario requires a bit of abstraction and a knowledge of how both corporations and our tax codes actually work, but blaming some woman in the grocery store is way easier because you see her right in front of you, and you've been taught your whole life to think she must have cheated to get that "free money" somehow.

Oh yeah I've definitely seen that kind of thing happen repeatedly. It drives me nuts though because if you sit down and think logically about it, how does it make sense that the poor have all this power to take so much money (not to mention if you actually do your research you find the 'lazy poor' story that is told often is a myth.)

I've even seen people admit to what large corporations/the wealthy are doing and still act like our money problems all come from social programs.

AYRT

Yeah. Ranting aside, I also hate the characterization of American people as stupid for not ~seeing the truth~ or whatever. I think a lot of people do see that corporations have way too much power and are using it to shore up their own wealth at the expense of everyone else. The problem is that a lot of people don't take it far enough, imo? Like yes, corporations are the problem, but it's still difficult to examine capitalism *itself* as a system that allows this. Again, there's that problem of abstraction, but challenging capitalism also challenges a lot of underlying ideologies and values that Americans hold pretty closely, like meritocracy, individualism, etc.

And yeah, I've met those people, too. I think my favorite were the ones who were even pretty well-informed on poverty and welfare and how fucked our system really is, but definitely complained in college that single moms took all the scholarship money from everyone else.

Was it ever really a theory? I think it's a description of power politics in political economy. Making a theory of it, and trying to do it intentionally, is pretty much guaranteed to cause misery.

Capitalism is a problem to be solved, not an end to be desired. For an economist to advocate for capitalism is about as same level of sense as an epidemiologist advocating for endemic infection rates with malaria or tuberculosis.

Sadly it's the same for pretty much all economic systems.

In theory, they work; in practice, the people on the top of the chain play the system for they own benefit and screw over everyone else.

Without honesty or at least some controls that really work, that won't change.

Not gonna lie, I would rather take stock in being syncretic towards the economy. No system is truly perfect, but there are some parts that are economically and/or politically sound throughout many systems, even socialism and communism.

The challenge now is how to take those parts away from their respective systems and join them together to create a "melting-pot" economic system and not something like the economist's version of the Human Centipede.

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