[ SECRET POST #3004 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3004 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

"a lot of slash fic actually makes at least an attempt to provide characterization"

lol(...)

[(Anonymous)]

As much as het fanfiction at least -- and they never get "called out" for "fetishization."

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's a bit hard to fetishize gay men when you are writing het fanfiction

[(Anonymous)]

But people who write interracial het are never called out for fetishizing I've noticed.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean fetishize poc as poc? In order to make your comparision work one should find examples of white fans who actively change a character's race for the sake of an erotic fantasy. While racebending exists, usually it's done by poc to have more representation where there is none.
Here's the thing though: the fics that include poc characters tend to do that with canon poc characters. These characters aren't even popular like white characters are anyway and thus are not every 'white fandom' first choice. E.g., How many slash fics about Iron man and his best friend Rooney compared to his ships with white guys he interacts with much less?
The interracial pairs gotta be canon to be a tiny bit popular or even considered by the side of the fandom (white straight people) you asre talking about and even when canon, or you have poc who are gay characters, those are still consistently less popular than white peen.

[(Anonymous)]

"These characters aren't even popular like white characters are "

See, this is exactly my point -- you're equating fetishization with the popularity of the pairing. Which is just...weird to me.

Like, I love Steve/Bucky and Steve/Sam and sometimes like Steve/Tony but you won't see anyone calling Steve/Sam fetishization NEARLY to the same degree as Steve/Tony, for example.

You're basically proving my point that fetishization is just used as an excuse to hate on popular ships.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure there aren't any slash fics about Iron Man and his best friend Rooney because the guy's name is Rhodey.

[(Anonymous)]

That's the best typo ever though haha

[(Anonymous)]

Are you fetishizing the Irish?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I've noticed people who write interracial het get called out for fetishizing when they're actually being fetishizing. I see a lot of het shippers get called out for fetishizing ships involving an underage character, ships involving abuse dynamics, ships involving racist overtones... Calling out underage ships is a big one on my dash right now.

I have seen slash shippers get unfairly accused of fetishizing homosexuality but let's not pretend that those accusations aren't sometimes (or even often) warranted. Slash culture has been infested for years by creepy straight girls who think that they're supporting gay rights by fantasizing about Johnlock A/B/O AUs.

The more obvious reason here for the apparent lack of callouts for interracial het shippers is that, compared to slash shippers, there just aren't as many people who ship interracial het ships.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but the difference seems to be, to me, that I see slash as a whole called fetishizing FAR more than I'll see fetishization applied to the others.

Specific ships with racist overtones or ships with abuse dynamics obviously deserve to be called out.

But I see slash -- as a whole, not just specific ships or fics -- get called fetishizing A LOT more. Whole swathes of people get dismissed as being fetishizing purely for being cis and straight.

[(Anonymous)]

Perhaps because fetishization is more of a problem among slashers? There's not always a conspiracy.

Just from what I've read here I wonder if you're new to fandom or shipping, because slash fandom has a laundry list of issues that goes back decades, and the topic of slashers fetishizing homosexuality has long held a place of honor on that list.

[(Anonymous)]

I find that hard to believe because -- in general -- I don't see a huge difference between slash and het in terms of how it approaches the characters and the problems they overcome.

Even things like kink memes generally have prompts requested and filled for het and slash that are pretty similar.

Are there subgroups of slash fans that can be fetishistic? I think so -- I think you could make an argument that A/B/O is fetishistic.

But when people try to act like "slash" as a whole if fetishistic it sounds to be like they're saying "interracial shipping" is fetishistic and it seems like just another cudgel to hate on something that's popular that you don't like.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're very lucky in your experiences then, if you haven't encountered many fetishistic slash fans. I read things at least weekly that are so creepily fetishistic that they make me feel genuinely uncomfortable. I can see why you would think that people only hate on it because it's popular if you haven't experienced these things first hand.

[(Anonymous)]

What counts as fetishization though? I mean, fetishization that is unique to slash ships. I see het ships enforce gender stereotypes just as often as slash ships. Yet, it's never really a problem for het ships because it's 'normal' for the girl to be submissive and small while the guy has to be dominant and experienced in sex even if the actual characters are nothing like that.

There is the same type of submissive/dominate fetishization for both het and slash, but only ever called out on slash ships because they tend to be more popular than het ships in a lot of fandoms.

Or is it just finding out a hetero person is writing slash that makes it fetishization? Because I've seen people who fall under all parts of the LGBT spectrum enforce the gender stereotypes in shipping.

So yeah, it's not hard for me to believe that it's just shippers upset their ship is not more popular while disguising it as social justice to make it seem less petty.

[(Anonymous)]

Fetishization isn't just about gender stereotypes...

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt

I agree. Fans of poc characters are called out when they don't write them right, use stereotypes about their race, or even make the mistake of drawing them with the wrong skin tone. Try writing a fanfiction where you describe a woc as an exotic beauty, or talk about people's chocolate skin: no way you won't get a single comment about that.

With slash, you can write about instantly pleasurable lubeless anal sex, or describe it all as if you were just reading het herotica with all its stereotypes on sex from a female pov, and chances are most won't care about how realistic it is from the pov of real gay men.