[ SECRET POST #3004 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3004 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Mary Poppins]


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[Hoozuki no reitetsu]


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[Terry Pratchett and his daughter]


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

tw: abuse

[(Anonymous)]

Fandomish opinion

I really dislike the way abusive parents are written. I especially dislike how all their characterization is stripped down and their own skeletons are ignored to turn them into monsters to hurt the woobie.

The reason I'm thinking about this is because I've seen a lot of people lately arguing that Howard Stark didn't love Steve Rogers or Tony. Because he said Tony was his greatest creation and that Steve was the one good thing he'd ever done up to that point.

Which, yes, it's objectifying. But if you're arguing that Howard didn't love them, you're basically saying he's a sociopath/psychopath and incapable of love. Here's the thing -- people are flawed and sometimes have complex or selfish reasons mixed in with their love.

Howard calling Tony his "greatest creation" IS objectifying yes, but it's also reflective of the fact that they're both engineers -- they're both people who create and take pride in their inventions. Howard saying that is his way of telling Tony that he's proud of him.

With Steve, you can't divorce the fact that Howard carries an incredible amount of guilt for all the people he helped kill during the war. And that he saw Steve -- who he recognized as a good BEFORE he met him -- as someone he HELPED and who made the world a better place.

Just, the whole way fandom handles abusers and abuse pisses me off. Howard had his own ghosts/demons to deal with. Was he perfect? No, but I'd argue he was no more flawed than Tony.

Also the "A+ parenting" is fucking retarded.

Re: tw: abuse

[(Anonymous)]

I dislike that too, to be honest.

One of the tragedies of abuse is that it doesn't come 24/7 in every case, so you might have people denying it's taken place, or not intervening.

"But so and so does love their child! Look, they take them fishing and camping and shows them support! So what if they knock the kid about every now and then! Some children only understand that way!"

Re: tw: abuse

[(Anonymous)]

I hate the "A+ parenting" tag when it's applied to parents who aren't abusive, just parents who are normal parents who had kids who didn't agree with them. Especially because it makes the character an abuser that they aren't in canon to make the other character more of a woobie.

Re: tw: abuse

[(Anonymous)]

Christ, yeah. It's that whole thing of dividing the world into Good People and Bad People, and being Good is a fragile state that a single error can strip from you, but being Bad is permanent and means you're basically not human.

Joseph Stalin was a terrific parent, a really caring and attentive father to his daughter. All those people he killed do not change that fact. Nor does his being a good dad change the fact that he killed all those people.

People aren't just one thing.