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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-03-28 03:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #3006 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3006 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
One of the things I always loved about Buffy is how very human she was. She fucked up, she got called out when she messed up, her relationships were messy and were written to be messy. What made Buffy a hero was how she got through it all, even if sometimes she faltered.

More to the point of the secret, I never had a problem with her forgiving Willow or Spike. The writing for a lot of the characters was weird in season 6 anyway.

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2015-03-28 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
That font is damn near unreadable.
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[personal profile] fandomrandom 2015-03-28 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
This secret is making me feel like it's nearly 15 years ago.

I love Buffy, so I'm mostly commenting to use my icon.
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[personal profile] dancing_serpent 2015-03-28 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
*g* One of my favourite episodes!
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[personal profile] visp 2015-03-28 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it made sense. I mean, there's half a dozen of people that know you and will fight alongside you in a world full of ravaging monsters and mundanes who are oblivious to the things you face daily. You're gonna cut those people a lot of slack, because they're what you've got.

(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Pretty much yeah. It always befuddles me when people start interpreting characters' behavior from a generic one-size-fits-all Normal Life perspective, without taking into account the (usually extremely out of the ordinary) fictional circumstances that the behavior takes place in.

I feel this way about people acting as if CAPSLOCK!Harry from Order of the Phoenix was just "being 15" instead of "being 15 after going through a hugely traumatizing event and being tortured and now being mocked and harassed by the government and press and all your schoolmates and being bullied by your professor and being constantly terrified to death that wizard Hitler is going to start taking over the world any minute while the Prime Minister refuses to believe he's alive and also having disturbing nightmares and magic headaches from your psychic link to wizard Hitler."

(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

Word.

(Anonymous) 2015-03-29 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, people think if you judge fictional characters differently based on their situations it's the same thing as excusing jerks IRL which...not always, guys. Not all of us are obligated to treat the characters like we would real people.

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(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Image: promo art from an early season of Buffy, of her lying on her stomach for a good view down her tank top, with a stake in her hand

Text: I thought her forgiving of Spike and Willow was incredibly realistic. We don’t need a lot to convince us that Buffy is strong and powerful, but the ONE THING they kept hammering into our heads was that she was HUMAN. So of COURSE she only forgave Willow because she was her friend. And of COURSE she forgave an abusive boyfriend. (And I loe how many people forget Buffy’s abusive side.) She’s HUMAN, she’s going to make the same mistakes we do, but with more vampires.

S!B lol w season 6?

(Anonymous) 2015-03-29 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
thank you for recognizing buffy was abusive in her relationship with spike as well. I hate when it gets brushed aside.

(Anonymous) 2015-03-29 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
I thought it was a really interesting piece of character development, and really brave too, until I discovered that the writers didn't think they were writing her abusive, just that she was "in a bad emotional space". Ugh! So disappointing.

(Anonymous) 2015-03-29 11:31 am (UTC)(link)
oh fuck this attitude. you guys are usually the first who go "death of the author!!!", but whenever you get an inkling that someone might maybe not have intended something everyone praises you're all like "Ugh! They didn't even realize what they were writing!"
btw. hello? how does "being in an emotionally bad place" exclude the idea that the behavior coming from it is abusive? The fucking text itself explicitly calls her out on being abusive, so whatever any writer says what they thought they meant (or whether they maybe wanted to accentuate the reasons behind her being abusive) is worth jack shit in comparison to what is canonically and explicitly in the text.

Stop overinterpreting every unreflected half-sentence the holy writers utter in retrospect!